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Ask him specifically if he supports moving the grandfather date, either by supporting HR 2058 or the Cole-Bishop amendment to the Agricultural Appropriations bill, which would give the vapor industry the same foundation that the cigarette industry received when the FSPTCA was passed in 2007. Allowing current manufacturers to continue marketing their products without requiring retroactive pre-market approval that was not required of ANY of the combustible cigarette products currently being sold.

Would that be relevant to him? He is a State Rep, but I can for sure send that to my lovely Senators.
 

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You shouldn't need experience reading scientific journals, legal briefs, interpreting federal regulations, or tracking political contributions to be able to choose a healthier alternative in your life.

Well said...the truly free will govern themselves, always have - always will.
 

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Schools Urged To Treat Teen Smokers With Nicotine Patch

Nicotine Patches and Chewing Gum

"Nicotine replacement therapy (NRT) isn't just for adults -- it's also an effective weapon for treating smoking addiction in teens. About 20 percent of high school students smoke, and half of adults who smoke develop an addiction by their 18th birthday, making adolescents an important target to kick the habit. While NRT product labels discourage NRT for teens, the latest medical guidelines recommend it as a safe and effective treatment option for them."
I am not disagreeing with you Kent,just doing some clarifications of what you said.

For purposes of clarity lets drop the distinction between underage and legal adult smoking
and consider that it is one homologous group. As a whole roughly only 30% of habitual smokers
will develop a dependency to smoking. This already discounts the roughly 40% who tried smoking
smoking and for whatever reason choose not to become regular users. I refer to those that would
be defined as regular users. Of the remaining regular smokers roughly 50% of these will quit smoking
between the ages of 30 to 40. Most of these quit for many reasons,health included though most are
not suffering from health issues and,health is just one of the many reasons they quit. Saving money,
the time involved in careers and raising children and,lack of appeal being some factors often cited.
It is important to remember 70% of smokers do not develop a dependency to smoking so many
who quit during this time frame do so with out any discomfort at all. I believe as the result of the
experiences of this age group all the bunk about superior will power and quitting came about but,
that's a different thread. Now all that is left are the smokers who have not quit and in all probability never will in any significantly large percentage. Some will,most of these when its to late. I believe
this is where the 50% addiction figure would be accurate. Those that start smoking in their teens and
remain smokers into adulthood could not have an addiction rate of 50% as habitual smokers (regular
users) only have a dependency rate of 30%. It is also important to know the 30% dependency rate
is the highest known for any substance known to cause dependency. The one caveat being I do
not know how this compares to stuff that has been chemically enhanced or created in whole
in a lab.
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Speaking of TC mods as one of the many things we stand to lose (post 2007 innovations), If the FDA finds a way to quash advanced temperature control features, for no good reason, they really will have exposed an ugly, arbitrary agenda and risk losing their talking points.
They think they've got that covered, because RJ Reynolds' Vuse has temp control, so they have no need for yours, thank you.
 

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I work in the high risk business lending industry. Vape Shops are starting to get blacklisted. Ugh. Not all lenders have sent the update to guidelines but they are trickling in.

At the same time Colorado's dispensaries are slowly getting added to the "ok" list...
Yea, how would anyone in their right mind finance a vape shop anymore.

They have 2 years to make it rain. Many have made their millions already so could care less. Onto the next project to make money.
 

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Just doing some simple math albeit via a online dilution calculator I have enough nic to mix 83 liters of 3mg nic. I'm 53 so I think I'm good there. I have 8 mods. 10 or so RBAs plenty of 304 .020 safety wire for coils. Cotton Rayon covered PG VG Flavors not a problem. I'm covered. ♧◇♡♤ the FDA

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Speaking of TC mods as one of the many things we stand to lose (post 2007 innovations), If the FDA finds a way to quash advanced temperature control features, for no good reason, they really will have exposed an ugly, arbitrary agenda and risk losing their talking points.

I think you have this Backwards.

I Don't Think there will be any Mods that will receive PMTA approval that do Not Have TC.

And the TC will have much Lower Max Temperature setting than what you see Today.
 

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Well, of course it all depends on the context, and I did a poor job of trying to make my point so I will elaborate. There are some who are convinced that the whiskey tax was being used to eliminate smaller scale whiskey production so that Washington could derive greater profits from the distillery he was planning to open. For them, the context then is that of the little guy fighting the big bad government. Others dismiss this idea as ludicrous, and see the villain as whoever it was that shot the tax collector, so different context.
Technically, Washington didn't have a distillery until after these events so who knows what his plans really were when the whiskey tax was imposed. But there will always be three views on the Rebeliion. One that the rebels were right, one that the gubmint was right, and one that doesn't care.
Well, the Whiskey Rebellion started in 1791 during the beginning of his presidency. Washington didn't start building his distillery until 1797 after he was out of office. I'd say he'd of had some great business foresight if it were true. :)

One of the things that makes me scratch my head as it relates to Washington (and other founders) is that there are some today who call them big government advocates because they introduced a variety of new government programs. What they miss is there was ZERO government back in those days. Literally ZERO. So yes, new government programs are going to be introduced so you can have a country. And the first government program was a national defense...which still remains as the most important function of our federal government.
 

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Just doing some simple math albeit via a online dilution calculator I have enough nic to mix 83 liters of 3mg nic. I'm 53 so I think I'm good there. I have 8 mods. 10 or so RBAs plenty of 304 .020 safety wire for coils. Cotton Rayon covered PG VG Flavors not a problem. I'm covered. ♧◇♡♤ the FDA

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The FDA thanks you for later when they come around collecting. :p
 
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I am not disagreeing with you Kent

That was a quote from the website.

As far as addiction goes - nicotine is not cigarettes. Since I can go 3-4 hours without vaping (not including sleep) and could never go that long without cigarettes when I was smoking, there's something else in cigarettes that make them more addictive. Nicotine by itself is not that addicting.
 

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Does anyone know if the FDA is planning to release key parts of its criteria for PMTA acceptance. E.g., the list of undesirable components tested for in the aerosol and pass threshold amounts for each one?

Or, is it going to remain a complete secret so that manufactures that submit their millions have no idea if it's going to pass muster?
My guess is their is a few lines in the 175,000 pages they have written to date lolz.
 

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The FDA thanks you for later when they come around collecting. :p
Collecting what my personal stash for my personal consumption? I don't think so. I have no intention of doing anything but keeping myself off analogs or supporting the big 3 tabbaco companies [MODERATED] [emoji90]

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Kangertech / Innokin / Aspire / Smok already working with legal teams for law suite

Can't say as I blame them
THIS...

In the case of ENDS hardware/apparatus components, FDA expects that it may be
difficult for manufacturers to make the showing necessary to meet the statutory standard, given the great extent of possible variations in combinations of hardware components, if all are
considered and sold separately. Thus, with respect to apparatus, FDA expects that manufacturers
will be most successful where authorization is sought for entire delivery systems, rather than
individual components. In the case of these complete delivery systems--systems for which the
application covers all potential parts, including customizable options as applicable, and where
labeling, instructions for use and/or other measures are used to help ensure use as intended--FDA
expects that the range of possible outcomes may be narrow enough for the manufacturer to
demonstrate, and for FDA to assess, public health impact...

FDA Deeming regulations
Pages 69-70.

Essentially forces them to pull EVERYTHING they make off the market, and re-design their entire product lines from the ground up.
It pretty much ends the basically open source development of vaping hardware with everyone's components being mix and match interchangeable. Everything will have to be proprietary.
It will probably severely limit variable wattage devices, as well
 
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Sorry about the confusion he is in the Florida House of Reps.
Ah, ok, that's a bit different. You could still ask him his views on the subject, but you're right, he won't be voting on them. If there are current bills making their way through the Florida government, ask about those. If just in general, idk, maybe ask if he thinks that a product that has not been proven to be a public health risk deserves to be treated the same as one that is known to be a major health risk.
 

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Collecting what my personal stash for my personal consumption? I don't think so. I have no intention of doing anything but keeping myself off analogs or supporting the big 3 tabbaco companies [MODERATED]
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I kid, I kid. It's more likely to be your friends and family to come knocking.
 

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