Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Lessifer]

Here is a new marketing idea for someone to make money. Make skins that say not intended for use with any nicotine product. Better than labels for mods and the buyer can remove it if they choose. They could be cute and a great stick it to them laugh for all of us. I would display that on my Vari's.

There are still other vaporizers out there for other products, sometimes they include adapters for liquids. Those certainly don't have the -intent- of being sold for what we'd use them for. The whole thing reads as a broad overreach and the enacting 'pre-crime' regulations. I've never been in favor of intent laws, regardless of their effectiveness. I abhor drunk drivers, but I also hate that I've known people who were arrested for sleeping it off in their cars under 'intent,' even if they hadn't driven and had no intention of doing so.

Yeah, the problem is, the FDA decides the intent.

 

[rosesense]

So, a hybrid will require one application but a mod and tank will require two?

 

[Lessifer]

So, a hybrid will require one application but a mod and tank will require two?

Yes. I believe so.
Also, the hybrid, if it isn't a proprietary connection, will have to include analysis of its use with other devices that use the same connection. A device that uses a 510 connection would have to do that for all devices that use a 510 connection. Add in the fact that a device would have to have analysis done on its effects with a variety of liquid components.

 

[wiredlove]

So, a hybrid will require one application but a mod and tank will require two?

They've hinted that the most likely to be approved is to have a single unit, sealed battery + coil + eliquid. It is unlikely that they will approve anything beyond that / any open system, but until it happens we're all guessing based on the 499 pages of WHARGARBL.

 

[halonut]

They've hinted that the most likely to be approved is to have a single unit, sealed battery + coil + eliquid. It is unlikely that they will approve anything beyond that / any open system, but until it happens we're all guessing based on the 499 pages of WHARGARBL.

speaking of 499 pages...this thread is halfway there!

 

[wiredlove]

speaking of 499 pages...this thread is halfway there!

Yeah, but it's mostly coherent.

 

[zoiDman]

IMO the folks talking about the black market, or laying in enough DIY supplies to last a lifetime are already GIVING UP

Oh Contraire bob.

Not sure why Someone can not be an Active Advocate while having a Freezer Full of Nicotine Base?

In Fact, Some of the Most Vocal Advocates/Fighters of what is/has been going on for the Last 5 Years have prepared themselves to be Self-Stuffiest.

And Not Acknowledging the Reality of a Black Market seems Kinda Myopic to Me.

 

[halonut]

Yeah, but it's mostly coherent.

yep...even our most nonsensical parts make more sense than their most sensible parts...and ours is written in english no less!

 

[bigdancehawk]

Got me? I suspect there are other uses but I have never seen any.

I have a Nitecore EC11 flashlight that uses a single IMR18350 battery. Tiny device puts and out 900 lumens! LINK

 

[bigdancehawk]

We just don't know yet.

Yes, but we should have the answer shortly. A team of researchers at UCSF headed by Stanton Glantz, funded by Pfizer and the Robert Woods Johnson Foundation, is looking into it.

 

[Lessifer]

Posted by notblowingsmoke today, if anyone is interested.
https://www.facebook.com/notbl0wingsmoke/posts/568997406592882:0

TONIGHT at 9pm EST, tune in to the Plumes of Hazard where they will have the leaders of some of the organizations that have recently formed a coalition on to discuss all things advocacy. Or all things FDA Regs. Or just "all things". Get your questions ready and see you there tonight.

Live

 

[Sir Kadly]

Kinda like the canned replies we get from our messages to, what are supposed to be, our representatives.

Funny thing, I've seen some of those that seem remarkably similar despite coming from different reps. Makes me think they are written by someone else entirely, then tweaked slightly be the reps staff.

 

[bigdancehawk]

Welcome to the Wild West!

From a bunch of articles I won't link to:

"I think it's safe to say that the FDA has bent over backward to try and help as many of those companies who are willing to make an effort and recognize that they cannot operate in the wild, wild west any longer," said Erika Seward, a spokeswoman for the American Lung Association.

(No Erika, we're being bent over backwards.)

Ellen Hahn, a professor at the University of Kentucky College of Nursing and co-chair of the UK Tobacco-free Task Force, said the new rule is a good first step toward controlling e-cigarettes. “From a health perspective, to reduce the social acceptance of them is good because frankly, it’s the wild, wild West out there,” she says. “Vape stores are everywhere.”

Until now, e-cigarettes — battery-operated inhalers that contain nicotine, the powerfully addictive substance in cigarettes — have been marketed, as an FDA official noted Thursday, in a "wild, wild West" environment where anything goes.

Mitch Zeller, director of the FDA's Center for Tobacco Products, said the new rule will address the "the wild, wild west" that is the current e-cigarette market, and the agency billed today's announcement as "a milestone in consumer protection."

STANTON GLANTZ: The marketing that you're seeing in these cigarettes, it's the Wild West. It's like cigarette marketing in the '50s.

It is literally the Wild West when it comes to e-cigarettes,” Sward said. “Anything goes and there’s no sheriff in town.”

"It’s the Wild West out there when it comes to e-cigarette advertising," said Tom Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which released the data. "It's no coincidence that as the advertising has skyrocketed, the use of e-cigarettes has skyrocketed."

MITCH ZELLER: It’s the Wild, Wild West. It’s buyer beware.

For now, the nation’s estimated 20 million e-cigarette users may not see big changes. Companies have two years to submit their information to the FDA and another year while the agency reviews it. Government officials said this process is critical to taming the “wild west” marketplace for the products.

“There’s this whole ‘Wild West’ of social media platforms—Facebook, Twitter and Instagram—and the FDA has no way to track what’s happening in those platforms,” says Jidong Huang, the study’s head researcher, of how vape companies are taking advantage of the lack of regulations.

The 'wild west' of e-cigarettes, where nothing was regulated and the scientific opinion was inconclusive at best, has come to an abrupt end...

"Right now, it's sort of like the Wild West, as has been often said about e-cigarette regulation in the U.S.," he added. "There really isn't any right now.

Overall, though, this new era is welcome. The vaping industry has for too long been “the wild, wild West,” as the director of the FDA’s Center for Tobacco Products succinctly put it Thursday. It’s high time the sheriff arrived.

Isn't the Wild West (a.k.a Old West, a.k.a. American Frontier) an important part of our national identity? I know the Marlboro Man is dead, but Western history and heritage isn't. As a Westerner, I resent the implication that my culture is something to be reined in. What is their goal? To replace it with the "Tame East?"

If Zeller and his ilk were in charge back in Wild West days, they would have burned every village and town between KC and San Francisco to the ground, closed all the roads, declared martial law and imprisoned or executed anyone who protested. ETA: All in the name of the precautionary principle, of course. "We don't really know what's out there, but some of it looks like it could be pretty bad, so we've decided to destroy everything just in case."

 

[Kent C]

If Zeller and his ilk were in charge back in Wild West days....

They'd be dead..... quickly.

 

[skoony]

@bigdancehawk liked.
@Kent C liked even more.

mike

 

[Train2]

Which makes it moot.

No one is going to apply to get a device approved - spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on studies and analyses, putting forth an argument that the FDA will PROBABLY reject anyway.
The only device applications will be for "closed" systems that stand a chance, and will be funded by big companies. New vapers will have the option of Blu or Vuse. And a choice of Tobacco, Menthol, and "Berry". Or they'll find us, and we'll tell them how to get a package here from China.

So, a hybrid will require one application but a mod and tank will require two?

Yes. I believe so.
Also, the hybrid, if it isn't a proprietary connection, will have to include analysis of its use with other devices that use the same connection. A device that uses a 510 connection would have to do that for all devices that use a 510 connection. Add in the fact that a device would have to have analysis done on its effects with a variety of liquid components.

 

[Bronze]

Yeah, but it's mostly coherent.

I want to know which BT/BP employees wrote the Deeming regs.

 

[wiredlove]

I want to know which BT/BP employees wrote the Deeming regs.

Infinite monkey theorem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

*due to cost cuts, they only used 10 monkeys.

 

[skoony]

I want to know which BT/BP employees wrote the Deeming regs.

All of them,I think.

mike

 

[Bronze]

All of them,I think.

mike

Wont play on my laptop.