Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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Oh I do. I'm a registered dem and very vocal in my displeasure with the way my party has gone from supporting the people to supporting the people in office/big business.
I also tend to let candidates know why I'm voting against them or for them. Boxer and Feinstein know very well how much I hate them for trying to be a serrogate overbearing mother[emoji39]
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I am also a dem and I just wrote a (real snail mail) letter to Sherrod Brown expressing why he is dead wrong about this and how it will affect my vote in the future.
I am also a dem and I just wrote a (real snail mail) letter to Sherrod Brown expressing why he is dead wrong about this and how it will affect my vote in the future.
Gee, let me guess...
The only political agenda I see anyone pushing here is vaping.
I am 49 years old and only missed one vote. That was a local one that was snuck through to get the millage passed. In that time, I only voted for one Republican. Well, that's about to change. I want to vape.
Sorry...
440, I agree to an extent. We can't let the R and D argument go beyond vaping. It is anti-productive. But as long as we stay on the topic of vaping we have a duty to point out who is on our side and who is not. As it stands now, with just a few exceptions, the Democrats are NOT on our side. It's just a fact and we need to accept that reality if we want to make inroads.
Quite a few members in the last few pages have said we shouldn't be partisan and not mention the parties of the anti-vaping politicians. I'm sorry, but that is intellectually dishonest not to mentioned what almost every member of what party is against vaping and what party is against these regulations.
Like it or not, this is a partisan issue right now in Congress.
Like it or not, this is a partisan issue right now in Congress.
I don't think the intent was not to mention which party they belong to. That's fine, we all know most democrats will vote against vaping. What isn't helpful is us, arguing here, about rep dem issues. Every time it's brought up, kiss that page of posts goodbye because nothing useful is said, just the same things repeated.
I've put my D representatives on notice. I'm posting to their social media, and writing them as often as I can.
So right now, let's do what we need to and pressure everyone within your reach to move the grandfather date, any way we can.
I think what the Member who mentioned toning down the Partisan Blame Rhetoric was saying is at This Point, we should be Concentrating More on Trying to Do Something about the Hole we are in. Verses making who Dug the Hole the Main Emphasis of this Thread.
Your House is On Fire Right Now. Maybe it would be a Good Time to think about Ways to Put it Out? Or at Least, Minimize the Damage that the Fire is Causing?
Have they posted the Complaint? Have they held a press conference? Have they given media interviews? Issued press releases? If so, where are they? Why is there no reference to any of that on this forum? This has to be one of the most anemic PR efforts in history. When the FDA barely hinted that it might regulate the aging of cheese on wood, there was an immediate and highly visible public uproar.
I'm getting (or not getting, as the case may be) the same thing after posting vids/articles on my FB about our issue and requesting it be shared. Got up this morning and decided that my Status today is going to be that I won't be liking or sharing anything from anyone until I see that they also care about me and MY issues (not to mention the millions this matter affects) by liking/sharing as I've requested.
Lets also remember that when BT was lying to us as the young adults that we were, there wasnt real resources we could use to show their lies, to day we have a resource its called the Internet.
So theres no excuse for anyone today living in a civilized country to beleive BS. Google is everyones friend.
When I was in school and then in college, there were no warnings about the dangers of BT/cigarettes. I found out much later that BT and the government knew about the dangers, studies had been done, but if those facts were being made known in the news at the time, it was not enough to catch my attention at all. I didn't start smoking until I was in college -- I was dorm'd with 2 gals who both smoked, and it happened to be the smallest dorm room on the campus (weird, I know). I was getting sick from all the smoke in the room, and they told me that if I was also a smoker it would not bother me because I'd be used to it. And they were right. They got me started, and the college tacitly encouraged that by rooming smokers and non-smokers without even asking.
(Hmmm, the college should have known about the dangers of cigarettes even if I didn't ... wonder if I should sue them for promoting 40 yrs of addiction ... could be a way to raise some money to fight the FDA ....)
(Hmmm, the college should have known about the dangers of cigarettes even if I didn't ... wonder if I should sue them for promoting 40 yrs of addiction ... could be a way to raise some money to fight the FDA ....)
With a few exceptions, the thread hasn't derailed into that. Most of the talk about Republicans and Democrats have been about who voted for and against certain measures, or what will be the outcome of certain measures given the makeup of Congress - where are the numbers for passages of the Appropriations bill or HR 2058.
It's simply fact, not 'partisan bickering'. Someone who sees it as partisan bickering isn't grasping the intent, or is so embarrassed of who it is that is mainly against vaping at the Fed level, that the only thing they see is partisanship, when in fact, it's just the reality of the situation at this point in time. I hope that would change, but I'm not holding my breath.
Bill G with the ">99% of all products won't exist" and huge majority of posters that either agreed with him or re-quoted him?? Frankly anyone who took the time to read the original draft in 2014 (with the 'known exceptions' - Tom Baker, et al), had a pretty good grasp of what was going to happen.
Good point, Kent. It is a fine line to stick with legislative as opposed to party pushing. That is why politics has always been such a heated debate, of course.
I am bewildered that I live in one of the most liberal states in the country and when I enter my zip on CASAA site to see if any of my reps have favored them, not a single one. I also know it is about money and who funded what campaign, etc so I shouldn't be surprised.
I am bewildered that I live in one of the most liberal states in the country and when I enter my zip on CASAA site to see if any of my reps have favored them, not a single one. I also know it is about money and who funded what campaign, etc so I shouldn't be surprised.
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