Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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I'm not questioning it. I just thought it might be helpful if the Senator also heard from actual business owners.
It wouldn't hurt. I know he has been consumed over the last several months fighting his own state which is also trying to put him out of business.
Johnson Seeks Answers from FDA on Burdensome E-Cigarette Regulations
"Please provide this material as soon as possible but no later than 5:00 p.m. on May 31, 2016."
Ouch. Sounds like Mrs. Kodiak giving me a due date for one of her projects. (And one does not ignore a due date from Mrs. Kodiak).
Indeed. Don't expect it from Georgia though. But what I can gather, the state lawmaker's problem is more ignorance based. In other words, they don't know the beneficial aspects of vaping. Whereas on the federal level, it has nothing to do with the merits (or demerits) of vaping and everything to do with BT and BP lining the pockets of federal regulators and politicians.
Forgive the duplicate if someone else has already posted this here.
From Gregory Conley (AVA):
**Please share this in vapor circles (you'll likely need to copy and paste the below message to do so) **
Over the next 27 months, there are going to be a lot of well-meaning (but ultimately dangerous) people that are going to try to promote events asking vapers to protest at the FDA, White House, Congress, etc.
Unless it is an effort that major advocacy groups are involved with, I strongly encourage you to not to participate in these events (and urge others to focus their efforts in more productive places). There are numerous potential problems with such an event, especially one that is hastily thrown together with no real plan.
Additionally,I want to even more strongly urge vapers not to fall for PR traps, like the FDA saying they'll allow you to "interview" them. It will not turn out good. At all.
When such an event is proposed, please look into the person hosting the event. Is he or she really a positive representative of the vaping community?
Sincerely,
Gregory Conley
President -- American Vaping Association
From Gregory Conley (AVA):
**Please share this in vapor circles (you'll likely need to copy and paste the below message to do so) **
Over the next 27 months, there are going to be a lot of well-meaning (but ultimately dangerous) people that are going to try to promote events asking vapers to protest at the FDA, White House, Congress, etc.
Unless it is an effort that major advocacy groups are involved with, I strongly encourage you to not to participate in these events (and urge others to focus their efforts in more productive places). There are numerous potential problems with such an event, especially one that is hastily thrown together with no real plan.
Additionally,I want to even more strongly urge vapers not to fall for PR traps, like the FDA saying they'll allow you to "interview" them. It will not turn out good. At all.
When such an event is proposed, please look into the person hosting the event. Is he or she really a positive representative of the vaping community?
Sincerely,
Gregory Conley
President -- American Vaping Association
Wait, what?
Ron Johnson that wrote the "explain this" letter to the FDA, he's from Wisconsin...
And HE's not the one to call to complain that the FDA is killing a business - he's already on our side...call your OWN senator!!!
Ron Johnson that wrote the "explain this" letter to the FDA, he's from Wisconsin...
And HE's not the one to call to complain that the FDA is killing a business - he's already on our side...call your OWN senator!!!
I swear, some of us need to install dedicated fax lines and continually fax the RCP report to state and federal legislators until they all buy a clue.
He said the guy is already active in his own state Train, some of us just throught that his predicament would go far with the rest of Johnson's committee.
Ronald Harold "Ron" Johnson (born April 8, 1955) is the senior United States Senator for Wisconsin and a member of the Republican Party
Mike, I don't think you read that correctly, the Johnson in the title is Senator Johnson from Wisconsin, who is demanding answers from the FDA to be provided to the committee on national security and governmental overview(can't remember official name but that's close).
It seems to me quite a few posting don't get it yet.
1. The CDC already has clinical trials proving nicotine is not addictive even in doses much larger than any smoker has ever received.
2. This has absolutely nothing to do with saving anyone's children (the Deeming regs).
3. The FDA doesn't want and neither does BT, BP, or BM, for vaping to survive in any real form and likely will slowly withdraw their own vaping products over time if this is successful (the Deeming regs).
4. This absolutely and only has to do with BT, BP, and BM losing their cash cow, namely analog cigarettes. They see vaping as the actual death of their industries as more and more will question BIG GOV as to "what the hell are they doing to us all". The very real possabilty of open revolt in this country is very close if BIG GOV continues on this path.
As more and more personal freedoms are lost I dearly hope everyone starts voting these fascists out of office. However after watching the sense dulled people re-elect this idiot of a president I doubt it. We didn't start losing today's battle 2 years ago, it started when we let BIG OIL invade Vietnam. It's time to wake up America, we've been suckered for a long time.
1. The CDC already has clinical trials proving nicotine is not addictive even in doses much larger than any smoker has ever received.
2. This has absolutely nothing to do with saving anyone's children (the Deeming regs).
3. The FDA doesn't want and neither does BT, BP, or BM, for vaping to survive in any real form and likely will slowly withdraw their own vaping products over time if this is successful (the Deeming regs).
4. This absolutely and only has to do with BT, BP, and BM losing their cash cow, namely analog cigarettes. They see vaping as the actual death of their industries as more and more will question BIG GOV as to "what the hell are they doing to us all". The very real possabilty of open revolt in this country is very close if BIG GOV continues on this path.
As more and more personal freedoms are lost I dearly hope everyone starts voting these fascists out of office. However after watching the sense dulled people re-elect this idiot of a president I doubt it. We didn't start losing today's battle 2 years ago, it started when we let BIG OIL invade Vietnam. It's time to wake up America, we've been suckered for a long time.
@skoony
To my knowledge BT never deliberately altered their product in any way to make
it more addictive. Regardless of what they knew or more importantly what there opponents
accused them of knowing at any given time any alterations were due to controlling the
quality and consistency and accuracy of the product and reporting to the government of the amount
of nicotine in the tobacco,voluntarily making recommended changes that government agencies
were recommending to be changes in the law and,requirements to enter new products onto the
market.
I will tell you that you are sadly misinformed and BT did indeed deliberately add addictive components to tobacco. A Man I knew, now dead from lung cancer (smoking), who worked for RJReynolds for 40 years informed me that it did indeed happen that way.
To my knowledge BT never deliberately altered their product in any way to make
it more addictive. Regardless of what they knew or more importantly what there opponents
accused them of knowing at any given time any alterations were due to controlling the
quality and consistency and accuracy of the product and reporting to the government of the amount
of nicotine in the tobacco,voluntarily making recommended changes that government agencies
were recommending to be changes in the law and,requirements to enter new products onto the
market.
I will tell you that you are sadly misinformed and BT did indeed deliberately add addictive components to tobacco. A Man I knew, now dead from lung cancer (smoking), who worked for RJReynolds for 40 years informed me that it did indeed happen that way.
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