Agreed. I've watched some other, longer videos of his that can't be posted here due to some of the language they contain and my conclusion is: He's no friend of ours.
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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Oookkkkkk. So I won't be watching anymore of this guy. So many randoms out there with weird agendas. But do you think Grimm Green also has a nefarious agenda? Because he did say some things about not really trusting VTA.
This is big, imo...
CDC finds 8.3M fewer US smokers since 2010, Reuters finds 7.35M US vapers no longer smoke
8.3 million fewer adult smokers in US since 2010. 15.1% - a record low! where in just 2000 - 2009 we were at 22-23% levels and holding. Biggest drop since Clinton's cigarette tax.
7.35 million US Vapers since 2010.
As Bill G. points out the CDC, of course, is taking credit for this - but the rates of cessation for Nicorette, Patches and other NRT choices have been flat for years and the recidivist rates continue after 6 to 9 months "cessation" as we all know. Ecigs are the only rational reason for this change and the numbers bear this out. Nearly the same number of vapers as those who have quit smoking.
Ecigarettes have achieved what the CDC, FDA, Surgeon General have been hoping for, for decades!!
Let your representatives know.
CDC finds 8.3M fewer US smokers since 2010, Reuters finds 7.35M US vapers no longer smoke
8.3 million fewer adult smokers in US since 2010. 15.1% - a record low! where in just 2000 - 2009 we were at 22-23% levels and holding. Biggest drop since Clinton's cigarette tax.
7.35 million US Vapers since 2010.
As Bill G. points out the CDC, of course, is taking credit for this - but the rates of cessation for Nicorette, Patches and other NRT choices have been flat for years and the recidivist rates continue after 6 to 9 months "cessation" as we all know. Ecigs are the only rational reason for this change and the numbers bear this out. Nearly the same number of vapers as those who have quit smoking.
Ecigarettes have achieved what the CDC, FDA, Surgeon General have been hoping for, for decades!!
Let your representatives know.
Here's my take on it, there is nothing in the Amendment that gives the FDA more authority than they already have. They already are the be all, end all in regards to tobacco control. They can issue a marketing compliance saying that flavored tobacco products cannot be marketed within the US at the drop of a hat, they already did that with cigarettes. Is it fully legal? Probably not, but they'd have to be challenged to stop it.
IMO the only thing of concern in the amendment is the battery stuff, and that's just because it's putting the FDA into regulatory control over a consumer electronic.
Thank you. I knew one of you smarties would watch it. I am just concerned because this is the third time that the VTA has been questioned as to motives. I watched the VTA guy on the White Cloud webinar and I got the sense that they came together just for this fight. It is strange that they are really new compared to the other advocacy groups. Where's my tin hat????
Of course it is, he covered just about everything.(except kitchen sink at least not yet) I was referring to what the definition of a cigarette was according to the Laws on the books. You are speaking to the labeling of the ejuice.
Life Lesson #1: Nothing you can Hold in your Hand is or comes for Free.
Isn't all this Drama about Individuals and Advocacy Groups not centered around the Fight. But to what Level the Fight should be Fought?
I know people who in the past (maybe still today) who felt that Advocacy Groups that Support 18+ Age Limits were not doing what they Should be Doing.
Or 18+ and CRP?
Or 18+ and CRP and Standard Advertising?
Or 18+ and CRP and Standard Advertising and ____ ?
I don't see how Any Advocacy Group(s) could Fight for what All e-Cigarette users want? Because Views Vary on what is Wanted/Reasonably/Expectable/Not Wanted when it comes to Regulations.
This Ed Wolff guy is very active in the CASAA FB group. I've challenged him a couple times there, but I don't like spending much time on FB and I won't tell people what to think.
As for GG, I get why he feels uneasy about VTA. The thing is, VTA does have on its board people who have been involved with BT, and I understand why that would make people feel uncomfortable. Just keep in mind that VTA is an INDUSTRY organization, so they will always do what they think is best for the industry and their members. We all like to believe vaping is a big community and we're all in this together and everyone has everyone's best interest at heart, and that is true to an extent. Remember that you don't HAVE to do anything anyone else tells you, and most of the people in this community are just like you and me, novices just trying to make sense of it all.
I think One Thing that people need to Understand is that the FDA has a Statutory Definition in place NOW for what "Tobacco Products" are. And there is Nothing that Prevents the FDA from using that Definition when it comes to e-Cigarettes / e-Liquids.
I'm not saying that I disagree with the Intent of moving the GF Date Up. Far From it. But I would have Rather seen just a Moving the GF Date to something Passable without and included Political "Sweeteners".
Oh Jeez, I hate to break it to you...
But your kitchen sink may indeed be a tobacco product...
Have you ever rinsed your hands in the kitchen sink after getting some juice on them?
Yeah? Well, if so then welcome to the land of tobacco products.
Exactly.
It kinda like Voting for a Candidate.
Are there More things that I like about a Candidate than I Don't Like? And are the things I like More Important than the things I Don't Like? And Visa Visa.
Actually - and SCARY!!!! - there are 2 Agriculture Bills
House Bill - All bills Must Start in or be approved by the House - C_B Amendment
Senate Bill - Originated in the Senate and Passed through Committee - NO PROVISIONS
If BOTH Bills Pass on their respective Floor:
Senate and House MUST enter session to compare and compromise on a SINGLE FINAL Bill to present to the President for Signing
I'm beginning to think that we now have agents provocateurs in our midst, trying to pit various advocacy groups against each other and spreading misinformation not only about the Cole-Bishop amendment [(i.e., that it's not permanent (false), that is bans flavors (false), that it somehow restricts sales of batteries (false), and that it forbids all advertising (false)], but also besmirching the good name of several long-time vaping advocates. I've been following Dimitris' and Phil's passionate advocacy on behalf of vaping for years. Please, don't even go there. Some may disagree with their style, methods, opinions or Phil's latest lukewarm review of the Kayfun 5,
This is very worrisome, if not unexpected. Why would anyone NOT want the Cole-Bishop amendment to pass? Why would anyone who wants vaping to survive lobby against the bill that moves the grandfather date permanently from 2007 to 2016? Cui bono? Who benefits?
Keller Heckman | The Cole-Bishop Amendment to the Agricultural Appropriations Bill Amending the Grandfather Date for "Deemed" Tobacco Products Passes House Committee - What Next?
I think that we do understand that and some of us are trying to understand just how they got there. That is why I went back to the "tobacco regs" to try and make some sort of reasonable sense as to how they could rationalize these 'deeming regs' for ecigs. They are trying to fit a round peg into a square hole....it won't fit. It looks like a copy/paste to me, and shows no rational train of thought other than to repeat what was already done.
No. We should support both bills--at least for the time being. If in doubt, follow CASAA's advice. I hope you're a member? They represent consumers--Mr. Wolff does not.
Actually - and SCARY!!!! - there are 2 Agriculture Bills
House Bill - All bills Must Start in or be approved by the House - C_B Amendment
Senate Bill - Originated in the Senate and Passed through Committee - NO PROVISIONS
If BOTH Bills Pass on their respective Floor:
Senate and House MUST enter session to compare and compromise on a SINGLE FINAL Bill to present to the President for Signing
And what Some have asked is during Reconciliation of the House and Senate AG Appropriation Bill, could the GF Date (and just the GF Date) be removed from the House Bill leaving the Other provisions?
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