Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[wiredlove]

The real question is did they really drink it to know what it tastes like !

 

[halonut]

Just Curious?

What is your Take of Shops/Online Retailers who, when asked, tell their Customers/Employees that there is Nothing to Worry about regarding the FDA and e-Cigarettes?

I think the customer is a fool if he simply takes that as fact. I wouldn't tell them that, I'd explain the situation to the best of my understanding (which is limited, it's pretty hard to understand) and tell them to do their own research & act in the manner that they feel is in their best interest...which is exactly what I have told my customers (at site & by email) although not a single one has asked or commented about the FDA deeming.

 

[The Ocelot]

I"SEO" expert.


/Retired SEO Geek!

MMG

 

[nicnik]

We call it "Coyote tobacco," but it could be "Desert tobacco." I'm going to look at the leaves tomorrow.
Nicotiana obtusifolia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

ETA: Or maybe Nicotiana clevelandii - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The pictures all look similar.

Do the flowers smell good, or great?

 

[halonut]

In that case, no vendor/industry person should ever say that there aren't enough of us(consumers) involved. If vendors can't be asked to inform as many customers as possible that there IS a problem, then they can't expect those consumers to help.

Vendors can of course choose to do what they want, and I can choose to spend money where I want.

I've notified my customer base (at site & email) and I don't expect the 30% that actually read the information to carry the fight.

People gonna do what people gonna do & I'm not here to tell them what to do...that's the goverments job and we gave it to them.

 

[nicnik]

Lobelia inflata - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lobelia inflata (Indian tobacco, puke weed)

Any potential in puke nic?

 

[The Ocelot]

So, will the FDA dismiss these as mere "anecdotes" unworthy of serious consideration in formulating policy? If so, why are they collecting this garbage?

They clearly dismiss our success stories as anecdotal.

Could we spin the questions and flood them with pro-ecig stories or negative stories about tobacco cigarettes?

 

[nicnik]

I was looking to see if there was information online about what wild tobacco plants are native to my area, which, of course, led me to the Reno-Sparks Indian Colony. We have a pretty large native population here and they are had to miss - there is reservation land in the middle of town (I used to buy my cigarettes there). What I didn't realize was how far down the street from the smoke shop they own. I love this:

"In an effort to diversify the Colony’s general fund from sole reliance on tobacco revenues, the Colony has leased and developed its commercial sites. Tenants include Mercedes Benz of Reno, Acura of Reno, Infinity of Reno, Wal-Mart, and many other locally owned and operated businesses. Revenues from the Colony’s real estate projects provide funds for the Colony’s government which provides essential services to its members, residents and other urban Indians."

Sounds like they could use a vape shop, if they don't already have one.

 

[halonut]

So, out of curiosity... what would be a good reason not to direct customers to CASAA?

I can't think of one. My site info & customer email re: deeming advises them to do just that. If other sites/B&M's really do have their heads in the sand or just pretend to, so be it. I really don't care. Lessifer had the right idea "let your consumer dollars do the talking".

 

[Mazinny]

I think the customer is a fool if he simply takes that as fact. I wouldn't tell them that, I'd explain the situation to the best of my understanding (which is limited, it's pretty hard to understand) and tell them to do their own research & act in the manner that they feel is in their best interest...which is exactly what I have told my customers (at site & by email) although not a single one has asked or commented about the FDA deeming.

Is a customer who is not on the forums " a fool " to rely on something like this on a vendors site ( this is a vendor who advertises prominently on ECF btw ) :

With F.D.A Deeming on the horizon, what's up with (name of vendor withheld )?

We've gotten the question, and we just wanted to take a few lines to let you know that (name of vendor ) isn't going anywhere. When ( name of vendor ) began in 2015, speculation and discussion about what the final regulations would look like were all over. Not only did we build our product with the consumer and their wallet in mind, we thought ahead to what we'd need to do to be in line with future regulations.

That means you can vape without worry. However things work out, we're prepared to make the necessary adjustments to keep ourselves within full regulatory compliance, meaning you'll still be able to get ( name of vendor ), there's no need to panic!

Do you think they really believe that they are able to " keep themselves within full regulatory compliance, however things work out " ?

 

[zoiDman]

I think the customer is a fool if he simply takes that as fact. I wouldn't tell them that, I'd explain the situation to the best of my understanding (which is limited, it's pretty hard to understand) and tell them to do their own research & act in the manner that they feel is in their best interest...which is exactly what I have told my customers (at site & by email) although not a single one has asked or commented about the FDA deeming.

No arguments that Many Customers are Fools. And it is Good to Hear that you wouldn't do what was Outlined in the Question I asked.

But how do You feel about Shops/Retailers who Do Tell their customer/employees, when asked, that there is Nothing to Worry about regarding the FDA and e-Cigarettes?

 

[Lessifer]

I've notified my customer base (at site & email) and I don't expect the 30% that actually read the information to carry the fight.

People gonna do what people gonna do & I'm not here to tell them what to do...that's the goverments job and we gave it to them.

It's not about telling them what to do, it's about informing them of what is happening. I'm glad you inform people, that's all you can do. If people don't know that we're in a fight, how can they help?

The only definite point of contact that every vaper has, is the person they are getting their supplies from.

 

[halonut]

Sounds like they could use a vape shop, if they don't already have one.

it's across the street from the MGM, err I mean Bally's, err I mean Grand Sierra.

 

[nicnik]

what if Dunning kruger suffered from dunning Kruger effect?

That's the type of thing I worry about on a daily basis.

 

[halonut]

No arguments that Many Customers are Fools. And it is Good to Hear that you wouldn't do what was Outlined in the Question I asked.

But how do You feel about Shops/Retailers who Do Tell their customer/employees, when asked, that there is Nothing to Worry about regarding the FDA and e-Cigarettes?

sorry, maybe I wasn't clear. I feel that it is their own business & don't really care.

I'm a big believer in Karma & that they'll reap what they sow.

 

[The Ocelot]

The real question is did they really drink it to know what it tastes like !

My cat peed on me. Is second-hand cat pee dangerous?

 

[nicnik]

"my buttons feel... Squishy"
"My drip tip is too loose"
"My AFC spins too freely"
"My tank leaks fluid... ecig, not Abrams"

All the FDA would see in that is "My tank leaks fluid". More points in favor of closed systems.

But I'm all for all these other "complaints". lol

 

[DC2]

sorry, maybe I wasn't clear. I feel that it is their own business & don't really care.

Isn't it to YOUR benefit to have more consumers aware and active in opposing this legislation?
I'm not quite sure why it is that you say you don't care.
:shrug:

NOTE: We really need a "shrug" emoticon.

 

[The Ocelot]

Sounds like they could use a vape shop, if they don't already have one.

I seem to recall they sold cigalikes before I started vaping, but I didn't pay attention. The convenience store near me cigalikes, but also eGo/clearo blister packs and bottles of e-liquid, so I imagine the smoke shops do too.

 

[halonut]

Isn't it to YOUR benefit to have more consumers aware and active in opposing this legislation?
I'm not quite sure why it is that you say you don't care.
:shrug:

NOTE: We really need a "shrug" emoticon.

because unlike 99% of the population, I don't care what other people think or do and have no interest in pushing my agenda on them.