I understand not wanting to push an agenda, and I can appreciate that.
But to say you don't care is interesting to me.
But to say you don't care is interesting to me.
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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This goes back a ways.... nhaler's 'lung juice' - no longer sold, iirc, had lobelia root in ingredients.
Lung Renewal Juice
Here's a thread on lobelia from 2010.... you be the judge:
Controversial suggestion: Lobelia Extract in E-Juice?
what you're not understanding is that I do care about the deeming reg's and am doing what I can to notify my customers and help them understand. What I don't care about is what other sites/shops are doing...it's their own business and if they just want to keep quiet & try to ride it out/see what happens I can understand and respect that...doesn't mean I agree with their stance.
As to outright lying to customers/employees "there is nothing to worry about"...well "vengance is mine" sayeth the lord.
So my wife only smoked around 20 cigarettes in her life...
She has never vaped, other than to taste a flavor of mine now and then...
Yet she seemed to summarize this whole mess quite well...
tobacco plants grow in the ground.
Therefore the Earth is a tobacco product.
And the Milky Way, by association, is also a tobacco product.
And as such, the entire universe is a tobacco product.
And therefore, so is Stephen Hawking and Neil DeGrasse Tyson.
She has never vaped, other than to taste a flavor of mine now and then...
Yet she seemed to summarize this whole mess quite well...
tobacco plants grow in the ground.
Therefore the Earth is a tobacco product.
And the Milky Way, by association, is also a tobacco product.
And as such, the entire universe is a tobacco product.
And therefore, so is Stephen Hawking and Neil DeGrasse Tyson.
This argument has gone in circles for days. It gets to a point where no one knows what they are arguing about. 
I'm not normally one to tell people what they "should" be doing. Like when diacetyl was the big talk of the day, and I argued against telling vendors that they should be disclosing, but of course they could do so voluntarily.
This may just be a rationalization but I see a difference here. Diacetyl, hypothetical threat. Regulation, actual threat to the entire industry. It's in EVERYONE's best interest for as many people to be aware of what is happening as possible.
OK.
And I guess this is where we Differ.
As someone who has run a couple of Businesses, I also Believe that as long as you are Not Hurting anyone, that you should be able to Run Your Business as you Choose.
But when a Vape Shop or Online e-Cigarette/e-Liquid Retailer tells it Customers/Employees, when asked, that there is Nothing to Worry about with the FDA, then I think they have Crossed Over a line. Because they are Now Hurting People.
While I said that I had no intent on continuing this subject (in my post above), it's interesting to me that other want to.
I really haven't looked into if it would be worth trying extractions from puke weed. I have smoked it and it has a relaxing but stimulating at the same time effect, and as I mentioned, its a bit of an aphrodisiac.
I don't see him being grilled tbh. I am genuinely interested on what vendors are doing in this regard, and my purchasing decisions will be made accordingly. He was kinda striking attitudes though imo. His first post on the topic, called anyone who questioned a vendors actions ( or lack thereof ) and motives, busybodies.While I said that I had no intent on continuing this subject (in my post above), it's interesting to me that other want to.Here's a vendor who is walking a line (many vendor's posts get deleted in these threads) by posting here and yet gets grilled by some of these questions, after he has said he's done all he could do to inform his own customers, by asking him what he thinks of 'others' who do this or that.
To be fair, I did have a post queued up where I thanked him for sticking his neck out.While I said that I had no intent on continuing this subject (in my post above), it's interesting to me that other want to.Here's a vendor who is walking a line (many vendor's posts get deleted in these threads) by posting here and yet gets grilled by some of these questions, after he has said he's done all he could do to inform his own customers, by asking him what he thinks of 'others' who do this or that.
But it never got posted due to subsequent actions on the part of all parties.
Sticking your neck out takes guts.
And for that I appreciate the poster in question.
So my wife only smoked around 20 cigarettes in her life...
She has never vaped, other than to taste a flavor of mine now and then...
Yet she seemed to summarize this whole mess quite well...
Tobacco plants grow in the ground.
Therefore the Earth is a tobacco product.
And the Milky Way, by association, is also a tobacco product.
And as such, the entire universe is a tobacco product.
And therefore, so is Stephen Hawking and Neil DeGrasse Tyson.
You know what this means don't you? It means that Stanton Glantz is.a.tobacco.product. Mind blown...
LOL, I'm about three days behind in reading the thread and have been quiet for a while. When people start telling other people what they should be doing with their lives/livelihoods it pushes my button...take care of your ownself & voice your opinion...vote with your money but don't try to push your agenda on me, I'm not pushing mine on you.While I said that I had no intent on continuing this subject (in my post above), it's interesting to me that other want to.Here's a vendor who is walking a line (many vendor's posts get deleted in these threads) by posting here and yet gets grilled by some of these questions, after he has said he's done all he could do to inform his own customers, by asking him what he thinks of 'others' who do this or that.
If everyone quit worrying so much about what everyone else says/does/thought & just took care of themselves the world would be a better place. ***Disclaimer - this is just MY opinion***
If you're obsessive-compulsive like me, you might worry very much about things like that, maybe even while knowing it's not all that rational.
I mostly agree with what you're saying, except I am opposed to retailers misinforming their customers.
Who's going to tell him?
He's likely to implode upon hearing the news.
Not that that's a bad thing.
And this from the website of another vendor ( the first page you see on the site btw, before you can order any eliquid ). I know which vendor i will support.
FDA FINALIZES DEEMING REGULATIONS
Posted Wed, 11 May 2016 16:16:06 -0400
As many of you may already know, yesterday May 10, 2016, the FDA officially published the final deeming regulations for Electronic Cigarettes and other novel "tobacco products" which will go into effect on August 8th of this year. ( Name of vendor ) remains firm that these products represent one of the greatest innovations of our lifetime, with the potential to change the future of many peoples lives across the globe.
Recently, a study was released by the Royal College of Physicians that re-affirms our stance. We encourage all interested consumers to get active, get involved, and get educated on these topics. We are in the midst of an election year where more than ever your voice has a chance to collectively be heard. Do not let this opportunity fall through your hands to stand up for something that you truly believe in.
(Name of vendor ) believes that industry wide cooperation is our true path forward and encourages the rest of the industry to consider the options that are before them now. Our battles will have to be fought on two fronts; both through litigation and through legislation and this will take the collective efforts of all affected parties to see through to the end.
We are pleased to announce that such a coalition has been formed, and plans are being laid between some of the largest non-profit consumer and industry organizations, including AEMSA, SFATA, NBS, AVA and CASAA, to insure our collective interests are protected. This coalition represents some of the best minds in our industry and will insure our collective energy and resources are not wasted.
(Name of vendor ) has made strong commitments to assisting in such strategies both directly and indirectly as (name of vendor) and through our various member organizations such as the Tennessee Smoke Free Association, GSFA, FSFA, and AEMSA.
Get active, get educated, and get involved! Not sure what to do? As a consumer, head over to CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association and get activated! As a business owner, find out immediately which organizations represent you in your state and make a contribution to the cause.
We also want to take this opportunity to make you aware of two vital pieces of legislation that are in the House of Representatives as we speak. One, known as HR2058, was introduced by Congressman Tom Cole (R-OK) Congressman Tom Cole and has received strictly republican support. The other, known as the "Cole-Bishop," amendment also introduced by Cole, is attached to a bill that must be voted on by the end of this year and has already received bi-partisan support. Both of these bills seek to change the "Predicate Date" for our products; which will in the short term save much of the industry that you know today. It is our opinion that the Cole-Bishop amendment represents the single greatest chance of success as a vehicle for this language, but we encourage consumers to support them both.
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