Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Yiana]

Worked for Saddam Hussein.


Sent via iPhone

Don't forget Nazi Germany.

 

[crxess]

He is concerned about fine particles.

Something for a proper science evaluation, not his speculation.

He is concerned about dual use.

an Arguable concern with continued Combustible tobacco use, though EVERY Cigarette NOT Smoked....!

He thinks the high-powered devices create bad thingies.

Again, a thing for Science to Bare out, not speculation.

He believes that we will still see heart disease and even cancer.

Geez.....................Quality Scientific Data pointing to even the remotest possibility would be nice........

He thinks someone should put an ecigarette through a drug application.
He believes that they can be effective and should be used that way.

So, it could be exactly what we use............So long as it gets an Rx and hefty cost?

First, in my opinion, the man is an anti-tobacco psychopath willing to do anything to derail anything that might keep him from pursuing his goal of fighting Big Tobacco!
Second............Never mind, first covered it

 

[Kent C]

That's just ECBlend's version of RY4, I've heard others are different. I have never vaped a tobacco flavor, so I have no idea of flavor notes. I also can't tell you what flavor notes my tobacco cigarettes had, other than menthol.

A bit of an old 'joke' from 2009/2010 (and beyond) where people couldn't nail down the "other" flavor. There are long threads about it. lol.... and talking mainly about the classic Janty RY4 eliquid.

 

[Yiana]

Or anything that's sent in email, or has shocking text overlaying some graphic, or published in a '10 things you didn't know about X' list.

Public schools don't typically teach critical thinking skills as it is counter to the 'sit down, shut up and be a good citizen' / 'don't bug me I have 30+ kids to deal with' methods of teaching.

What? You are asking questions instead of accepting the doctrination as fact? Individuality? Thinking for yourself? Gotta put that kid on meds.

 

[Katya]

Ah yes, I remember that one.
I included the link in my email, which I have not sent yet.

Since you live there perhaps you should send it to him.

I plan on sending an email to him and to Tom Frieden, I'm just working on what I want to say. I want it short and to the point.

When you gyus are ready, would you mind posting your letters in the Sample Letters thread also? It will be very helpful to have a letter with all the relevant recent data (including the USC study, RCP and PHE findings, Dr. Polosa and Farsalinos's studies, etc...

SAMPLE LETTERS - For Congress, State, Commissioners

I'm going to work on my letters to Glantz, Feinstein, Boxer, Friden et al. this weekend. The more the better.

 

[Lessifer]

Have you tried the Mark 10? What's it like?



Thanks! I missed that.

I had a coupon for the XL and my wife is interested in trying vaping again, since she's up to a PAD smoking again. I figured I'd get it since it was free and it might be a good place for her to start. The flavor is nothing great, at first I got burnt coffee, then I got slight honey, it's a very light flavor. The battery life on the XL is actually pretty decent, it lasts her a full day, but she's not vaping it non-stop, just when she chooses to vape it instead of having a cig. The carto looks smaller than the few that I tried a LONG time ago, but it seems to hold a lot. Oh, and they are refillable, you just have to remove the 4 hole tip and then a little clear rubber spacer.

 

[Yiana]

It isn't shops god given duty to inform customers. If they choose to do so...good for them, if they think it's in their best interest to keep it low key then that's their prerogative.

This is the whole problem with American society today, everyone's more worried about everyone else's business than they are their own.

So if a certain shop is on their soapbox crying as loud as they can about FDA deeming & it gets delayed or shot down will they not be vilified for trying to create "panic buying" just to make a buck?

Kent put it well, when he said "you're not in their (the vendors) shoes"

Gun shops do it all the time. Hence, why we still have our second amendment rights. Or at least for now.

 

[crxess]

Have you tried the Mark 10? What's it like?

Haven't gotten that brave yet. Got a Free Vuse a while Back.......2 puffs and I almost Puked. HORRID TASTE!!! put it back in the case and hid it out of site.

Got this in Menthol though I never smoked Menthols(RED Man) but hate tobacco flavors. It claims Wintery minty taste. Will see, and probably pass out from Nic O.D.
Damn things are 3.5% or 35mg, I do 3mg

Soon........................

 

[Yiana]

You can read these reports HERE. I wouldn't recommend it, but they might be good for some laughs. Reading the first 4 or 5, I discovered that a mere whiff of second hand vapor causes extreme adverse reactions such as nausea, headaches, coughing, trouble breathing, aggravation of chest colds, wheezing and "lung infection."

A person who used a Blu found that it caused pain, numbness, itching and an "unusual sensation."

Another person reported that their "neighbor's" vapor causes her to suffer "painful respiratory and auditory problems," "eye redness," "severe tightness to the chest," and "problem breathing." Her dog suffers similar effects. Naturally, this has resulted in "many trips to doctor" and a trip to the emergency room. Blood work and lab results showed "traces of various chemicals and nicotine." Sadly, she now needs an inhaler and she's being treated for "asthma related symptoms directly related to e-cigarette second hand smoke."

This was just from reading the first few 2014 reports. Nothing after 2014 is available to view on line yet.

So, will the FDA dismiss these as mere "anecdotes" unworthy of serious consideration in formulating policy? If so, why are they collecting this garbage?

I'm sure there are alot of paid trolls.

Wonder how many actually vape and how many are part of the Glantz, ACA, ALA et al 'network''??

Also this^^^^

 

[Katya]

The weird part was that he sounded like a human being.
That really threw me off guard.

That's the dangerous part, DC2. Not weird. Beware. Zeller also sounds like a human being. So does Califf.

 

[Yiana]

Who the heck is recommending people steep in litter boxes?

Crazy cat ladies

 

[The Ocelot]

The Tobacco Control Act mandated that Government Accountability Office (GAO) review the authority and resources provided to FDA for regulating the manufacture, marketing, and distribution of tobacco products.

From the June 2014 Report to Congressional Committees

"FDA has announced performance measures for two of its new tobacco product review processes (to take effect in October 2014), but not for the type of new tobacco product submission that comprises the bulk of FDA’s review backlog.

"The agency has indicated that it intends to establish such performance measures, but until it does so, the agency’s ability to assess its efforts will be limited. This will be particularly pressing as FDA moves forward with plans to deem additional types of tobacco products to be subject to its regulatory authority."

http://www.gao.gov/assets/670/664279.pdf

I'm not sure if a review is done yearly, I'm checking.

 

[Lessifer]

Okay, again, holy crap.
So I called back.

He is concerned about fine particles.
He is concerned about dual use.
He thinks the high-powered devices create bad thingies.
He believes that we will still see heart disease and even cancer.

He kept mentioning the results of his "meta-analysis" and wanted me to take a look at it.
I assured him that I was quite familiar.


He thinks someone should put an ecigarette through a drug application.
He believes that they can be effective and should be used that way.

I explained everything to him.
Well, every damn thing I had time for before he had to go.

I doubt I said anything new that he hadn't heard.
But I am sending some information he claims to not have been aware of.


As to the person who said take notes.
I wish I had.

The main thing I wanted to ask him was if he believes the crap he spews.
And while I didn't quite word it that way, I did ask.

No way of knowing for sure whether or not his answer was honest.

I think he truly believes what he says, and I think HE thinks he is doing good in the world. The problem is, he is so caught up in his crusade, that he can't see the harm he is doing.

zeal·ot
ˈzelət/
noun

1. a person who is fanatical and uncompromising in pursuit of their religious, political, or other ideals.

 

[The Ocelot]

I had a coupon for the XL and my wife is interested in trying vaping again, since she's up to a PAD smoking again. I figured I'd get it since it was free and it might be a good place for her to start. The flavor is nothing great, at first I got burnt coffee, then I got slight honey, it's a very light flavor. The battery life on the XL is actually pretty decent, it lasts her a full day, but she's not vaping it non-stop, just when she chooses to vape it instead of having a cig. The carto looks smaller than the few that I tried a LONG time ago, but it seems to hold a lot. Oh, and they are refillable, you just have to remove the 4 hole tip and then a little clear rubber spacer.

Burnt coffee and slight honey? Sounds flavored to me.

 

[Kent C]

Gun shops do it all the time. Hence, why we still have our second amendment rights. Or at least for now.

Except in California.... today:

NATION: No constitutional right to carry concealed weapons, 9th Circuit rules

 

[Katya]

I think he truly believes what he says, and I think HE thinks he is doing good in the world.

I don't. Sorry, Les. There's plenty of evidence out there proving beyond any doubt that e-cigarettes are way less harmful than smoking. If he doesn't see it, then he doesn't want to see it.

 

[crxess]

What's the point of all that? Well, if the FDA is struggling to devote resources to handle issues that that cause documented illness and even deaths, and taking months to finally get around to some type of action, why is it now about to regulate thousands of vendors of vaping products, of which there is way less, if not an outright no risk to public health?

It is the 9 Year FAIL of the CTP to provide any Real Success stories on combating Big Tobacco.....which of course it can't. Big Tobacco is Grandfathered in and has a Free Ride from initial compliance forward. The only thing CTP can do is prevent New Competition and Babysit BT.

Small Co. Cigar Manufacturing, Hooka Suppliers/users, E-cigarette/Vapor products. All - NOT Big Tobacco - Targets to place a Win on the Books.
WHAT WIN FDA? What Win?
These are Not going to , in any way, do anything to Slow Big Tobacco.
Fail
Fail
Fail

FDA KMA!

 

[The Ocelot]

Haven't gotten that brave yet. Got a Free Vuse a while Back.......2 puffs and I almost Puked. HORRID TASTE!!! put it back in the case and hid it out of site.

Got this in Menthol though I never smoked Menthols(RED Man) but hate tobacco flavors. It claims Wintery minty taste. Will see, and probably pass out from Nic O.D.
Damn things are 3.5% or 35mg, I do 3mg

Soon........................

I've heard the Vuse is high in nic too.

 

[Kent C]

I think he truly believes what he says, and I think HE thinks he is doing good in the world. The problem is, he is so caught up in his crusade, that he can't see the harm he is doing.

zeal·ot
ˈzelət/
noun

1. a person who is fanatical and uncompromising in pursuit of their religious, political, or other ideals.

Plus the money's good and the grants. :- )

 

[Katya]

Except in California.... today:

NATION: No constitutional right to carry concealed weapons, 9th Circuit rules

The Ninth District Court and Kamala Harris. Yeah.