Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[mpols]

Nice! Maybe I'll just send him a link to this article instead of writing a letter.

Also share this: Professor Glantz brings his anti-vaping crusade to Europe - I review his presentation
In it Clive Bates said that he would love to sit down and have a discussion with Glatz. We need to get these two together.

 

[Katya]

We need to get these two together.

I'd buy a ticket to this event.

 

[The Ocelot]

Dogs bite children.

Minors and young adults need to be discouraged from interacting with dogs. Ways this might be accomplished are to: restrict minors from owning dogs; put warning signs at dog parks; prohibit humane societies from promoting the adoption of dogs; and prohibit broadcasting of Lassie, Benji and whatever those movies are with the Golden Retriever puppies.

The FBP&DC act gave the FDA authority to regulate dogs and anything it deems to be a dog.
("Deeming," by definition, is an opinion. It does not have to be supported by evidence.
Perhaps the FDA was also given authority over the dictionary.)

The FDA looked to the history of the AKC and concluded that any dog breeds developed before 1885 (when the AKC opened registration) would be grandfathered in. Any breeders of dog breeds developed after 1885 would have to submit a pre-pet marketing application costing millions of dollars to prove, amongst other things, that: their breeds won't encourage minors to pet them; won't incite people who don't like dogs to own them; won't cause people who used to own dogs, but don't want another one, to get one anyway; and that they are beneficial to public health.

Service dogs are exempt, since they are medical devices.

And because they might: influence minors to pet dogs; allow people to substitute them for dogs; mislead the public into thinking dogs are safe; or could be a gateway to dogs, cats are deemed to be dogs.

(If reposted outside of ECF please give me credit.)

 

[Vandal]

I thought this article was good:
Professor Stanton Glantz makes an irresponsible and baseless claim about vaping risks

Seems like a worthwhile read, especially for someone who is in contact with Prof. Glantz.

I noted his phobia of fine particles, lol. There is a neat little section discussing that.

 

[leftyandsparky]

Dogs bite children.

Minors and young adults need to be discouraged from interacting with dogs. Ways this might be accomplished is to restrict minors from owning dogs; putting warning signs at dog parks; prohibit humane societies from promoting the adoption of dogs; and prohibit broadcasting of Lassie, Benji and whatever those movies are with the Golden Retriever puppies.

The FBP&DC act gave the FDA authority to regulate dogs and anything it deems to be a dog.
("Deeming," by definition, is an opinion. It does not have to be supported by evidence.
Perhaps the FDA was also given authority over the dictionary.)

The FDA looked to the history of the AKC and concluded that any dog breeds developed before 1885 (when the AKC opened registration) would be grandfather in. Any breeders of dog breeds developed after 1885 would have to submit a pre-pet marketing application costing millions of dollars to prove, amongst other things: that their breeds won't encourage minors to pet them; won't incite people who don't like dogs to own them; won't cause people who used to own dogs, but don't want another one, to get one anyway; and that they are beneficial to public health.

Service dogs are exempt, since they are a medical device.

And because they might encourage minors to pet dogs or people to substitute them for dogs, cats are deemed to be dogs.

Meep

 

[Yiana]

Except in California.... today:

NATION: No constitutional right to carry concealed weapons, 9th Circuit rules

California is a totalitarian state. That is what happens when you are so far to the left you're out of the park.

 

[Yiana]

Here's some food for thought...I can't believe this hasn't been talked about. Actually it just popped in my head tonight...I was like wait a minute here...

So you know how the fda won't allow free juice in shops anymore, no samples. Well, how come big tobacco reps come into clubs and bars and give you a free pack or more of cigarettes if you sign up for their mailings. Granted if you smoke and you're drinking you're going to be like hell yeah. But don't you think this is hypocritical?

 

[Katya]

In it Clive Bates said that he would love to sit down and have a discussion with Glatz. We need to get these two together.

My hopes have just been dashed when I read this comment from Bill Godshall;

"Since Stan Glantz hasn’t responded to the last 250 e-mails I sent him criticizing his claims about vaping, and since he has blocked all of the many dozen comments I tried to post on his blog during the past five years (that similarly criticized his claims about vaping), I don’t think Stan will be interested in meeting (or debating) with Clive Bates.

The underlying problem is that Legacy (which has lobbied FDA to ban vapor products since 2009), NIH, FDA and the CA DPH have given Glantz tens of millions of dollars to deceive the public about secondhand smoke, movies, THR, smokeless tobacco, vaping, tobacco companies, etc.

After Glantz began grossly misrepresenting the scientific and empirical evidence several years ago, FDA and NIH responded by rewarding Glantz (and his UCSF colleagues) with millions of more dollars (purportedly to conduct research) to continue conducting and publicizing junk science, and to deceive the scientific community, the public health community, the news media, etc.

As long as wealthy foundations (Legacy) and federal health agencies are giving Glantz millions of dollars to lie about, and lobby to ban vaping, he’ll continue to do what he’s been doing.

One solution is to convince US Congress to halt DHHS funding for the junk science Glantz has been funded to conduct (and dozens of other federal funding recipients who have made false and misleading fear mongering claims about vaping under the guise of scientific research)."

So there....

Sorry, @Lessifer

 

[Yiana]

Great article: E-Cigarette Battery Hazards Minuscule and Overblown

The National Fire Protection Association has a few different numbers than the above article, but same idea, they state that in 2015 there were 15 e-cigarette explosions and fires reported in the media. 12 incidences required medical treatment. There were no deaths.

They report more fires in 2011 (this article is from 2013). They state that there were 17,600 house fires attributed to smoking materials (tobacco products/.........). There were 490 deaths and 1,370 injuries.

This needs to be distributed to all media and congress.

 

[Yiana]

Dogs bite children.

Minors and young adults need to be discouraged from interacting with dogs. Ways this might be accomplished is to restrict minors from owning dogs; putting warning signs at dog parks; prohibit humane societies from promoting the adoption of dogs; and prohibit broadcasting of Lassie, Benji and whatever those movies are with the Golden Retriever puppies.

The FBP&DC act gave the FDA authority to regulate dogs and anything it deems to be a dog.
("Deeming," by definition, is an opinion. It does not have to be supported by evidence.
Perhaps the FDA was also given authority over the dictionary.)

The FDA looked to the history of the AKC and concluded that any dog breeds developed before 1885 (when the AKC opened registration) would be grandfather in. Any breeders of dog breeds developed after 1885 would have to submit a pre-pet marketing application costing millions of dollars to prove, amongst other things: that their breeds won't encourage minors to pet them; won't incite people who don't like dogs to own them; won't cause people who used to own dogs, but don't want another one, to get one anyway; and that they are beneficial to public health.

Service dogs are exempt, since they are medical devices.

And because they might encourage minors to pet dogs, people to substitute them for dogs, or that they might be a gateway to dogs, cats are deemed to be dogs.

Funny thing is my cat thinks he is a dog.

 

[HazyShades]

Here's some food for thought...I can't believe this hasn't been talked about. Actually it just popped in my head tonight...I was like wait a minute here...

So you know how the fda won't allow free juice in shops anymore, no samples. Well, how come big tobacco reps come into clubs and bars and give you a free pack or more of cigarettes if you sign up for their mailings. Granted if you smoke and you're drinking you're going to be like hell yeah. But don't you think this is hypocritical?

Yeah! I still get coupons for free cigarettes and dollar off per pack from
Marlboro and the same from Scandinavian Tobacco (Captain Black)
What's up with that!
Good point Yiana!

Regards,
Hazy

 

[HazyShades]

Funny thing is my cat thinks he is a dog.

My dog eats the cat's food.

 

[Kent C]

California is a totalitarian state. That is what happens when you are so far to the left you're out of the park.

What this may do.... (another trip through the "gov't prism" where you get 180° opposite of what's intended) ... is cause people to open carry*. Which would be fine with me.

*the practice of openly carrying a firearm on one's person in public.

 

[The Ocelot]

Here's a good article: The FDA, E-Cigarettes, and the Demise of Combusted Tobacco (sadly, pre-deeming).

MMS: Error

(The link works even though it says error.)

 

[The Ocelot]

My dog eats the cat's food.

So does mine.

 

[Yiana]

My dog eats the cat's food.

My old dog used to root around in the litter box for cat poop to eat. Apparently that is a great delicacy to dogs.

 

[HazyShades]

So does mine.

Other cats do also..I've taken to keeping a pumped up b-b gun by the front door..
Have to bring the uneaten cat food in or the Bichon or one of two big Toms
that keep beating crap out of my cats eat it.
You can see my cats, Kitty-Kitty in Reddhott's thread.
I posted a pix of them and the doggie.

Regards,
Hazy

 

[HazyShades]

My old dog used to root around in the litter box for cat poop to eat. Apparently that is a great delicacy to dogs.

I'm glad I didn't eat that sandwich...
Yea, it is...

 

[The Ocelot]

I finally found a place to read the full text of Promise and Peril of e-Cigarettes Can Disruptive Technology Make Cigarettes Obsolete? by David Abrams. It's the last few pages of the document.

https://www.cga.ct.gov/2014/PHdata/tmy/2014HB-05286-R000228-NJOY, INC.-TMY.PDF

ETA: I found another copy, this one is easier to read: http://mdquit.org/sites/default/files/pdf_files/Abrams ecig handout JAMA.pdf

 

[frizzy_tyger]

My dog eats the cat's food.

I used to have a cat which would ignore her own food and eat the dog food. She was also arround when the dog was a puppy and he started batting his paws at toys like the cat