Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Yiana]

According to the FDA I have a "daily value" of at least 300g of carbs. So it must be good for me

Beyond that issue, it is true that most of Western world subsisted on bread for thousands of years. Yet diabetes is a modern phenomenon. It is a far more complex subject than "all carbs are bad"

It's all the added sugar in foods. There is no reason to do that other than to keep people addicted to sugar.

 

[crxess]

f you're planning on emailing Dr. JJ, it might be a good idea to listen to her advice on the etiquette she expects. I have a feeling she's gonna be adding a lot more 'don'ts' to her list of 'do's and don't's in a follow up piece, soon.

Why are we promoting more and more of that Bigots Videos? no need to add hits to her Views
Etiquette.........Ha, her manors are measured in Greenbacks. The only thing she sees as proper is a paycheck.

 

[VNeil]

It's all the added sugar in foods. There is no reason to do that other than to keep people addicted to sugar.

Or perhaps collateral damage in the "war on fat". Fat was removed from food, and sugar replaced fat. Both coincident in the 7-10 fold increase in diabetes. Not to mention obesity rates.

 

[Yiana]

Or perhaps collateral damage in the "war on fat". Fat was removed from food, and sugar replaced fat. Both coincident in the 7-10 fold increase in diabetes. Not to mention obesity rates.

Agree. The war on fat is another load of bs. There are plenty of good fats out there.

 

[VNeil]

Agree. The war on fat is another load of bs. There are plenty of good fats out there.

Yet another failed program of the FDA and associated govt entities. I'm thinking it was more a matter of the sugar lobby better greasing the right pockets than the fat industry could manage.

 

[Yiana]

Yet another failed program of the FDA and associated govt entities. I'm thinking it was more a matter of the sugar lobby better greasing the right pockets than the fat industry could manage.

That would not surprise me at all.

 

[crxess]

But it's not just BT and BP losing money to vaping...there are also all the taxes for cigarette purchases that are being lost.

Beat that Home Classy. People are not getting it!!!
TAXES are the Governments Financial Excuse to Bend to the Pressures of those with Financial Motivations.
TAXES are governments reason for being in the Game.
TAXES are Governments Bread and Butter
TAXES Keep food on their Tables(well, their in house minions)
TAXES Fund their Recklessly Funded Ventures

It is time the Machine went on a TAX and SPENDING Diet!!!!

I vape
I Vote

 

[Vandal]

According to the FDA I have a "daily value" of at least 300g of carbs. So it must be good for me

Beyond that issue, it is true that most of Western world subsisted on bread for thousands of years. Yet diabetes is a modern phenomenon. It is a far more complex subject than "all carbs are bad"

The way we process flour has changed this century from how it was processed for all those thousands of years previous. And now, as opposed to then, preservatives and other additives (and more recently, substituting High Fructose Corn Syrup/GMO beet sugar for cane sugar). Also that we eat differently- we eat a lot more wheat than we used to (like sugar, it's in everything!). Then there is the fact that wheat (and similarly corn) has undergone genetic manipulation this century. I'm not talking about GMOs but hybrids. It's a complex issue, IMO, with a lot of contributing factors.

Yeah, they messed up on fats. Subbing sugar for fat and calling it a healthier alternative. Then letting loose the likes of Canola Oil on an unsuspecting and uninformed public... I best stop there. I get really angry about the direction our food supply has been allowed to go.

 

[crxess]

Yeah, they messed up on fats. Subbing sugar for fat and calling it a healthier alternative. Then letting loose the likes of Canola Oil on an unsuspecting and uninformed public... I best stop there. I get really angry about the direction our food supply has been allowed to go.

Did they?
Reduce the life expectancy of the population to insure future Room and Food supply for human existence.
Soylent Green - its People

 

[Kent C]

The point being made in fighting the regulation, though, was that accepting those things as mandatory, was tacit admission that the products we're talking about are "bad", and need to be controlled.

Allowing the enemy just that one issue legitimizes their self-awarded mandate to be engaged in their fight against us. Allowing them to demand childproof packaging, age restrictions, and content labeling establishes them as the good-guys in this, engaged in a just fight against us, the bad-guys.

Well said! And I've said the same in various ways all along, but there are some here that don't get that at all. A child proof cap didn't stop the one incident where the 'parents' (surrogates) left the bottle open and within reach. Age restrictions tend to keep teens smoking and not allow them to quit as we have. Content labeling is like stickies here - no one reads them, and adds price/bandwidth.

 

[DC2]

Yet another failed program of the FDA and associated govt entities. I'm thinking it was more a matter of the sugar lobby better greasing the right pockets than the fat industry could manage.

Yeah, I don't think there even IS a "fat industry" to provide any greasing.

 

[VNeil]

Well said! And I've said the same in various ways all along, but there are some here that don't get that at all. A child proof cap didn't stop the one incident where the 'parents' (surrogates) left the bottle open and within reach. Age restrictions tend to keep teens smoking and not allow them to quit as we have. Content labeling is like stickies here - no one reads them, and adds price/bandwidth.

Vapers did not just accept those things. They are all 3rd rails that few here dare argue against. Personally I'm very against teen vaping age restrictions but it's a hopeless argument even among the most truly devout vapers.

 

[BreSha6869]

Personally I'm very against teen vaping age restrictions....

Seriously? Why?

 

[DC2]

Seriously? Why?

The only logical way to be against teen vaping, IMHO, is the flavors.
Because we sort of don't know when it comes to flavors.

I'd be all in favor of anyone, anywhere, vaping unflavored any time they want.
Just like I'd be in favor of them going to haunted houses and rock concerts any time they want.

If nicotine is added to the mix, I'm not any less in favor of it.
It might help produce a brighter generation with the foresight to stop the madness.

But the flavors are, and always have been, my sticking point.
Which in no way implies that I'd be against flavors, as I am prone to favor free choice.

 

[VNeil]

Seriously? Why?

The teen smoking rate mirrors the adult smoking rate. Always has. Before vaping it was down to around 18%. I'd rather see 30-50% of teens vaping but none smoking than 15-20% of teens smoking and none vaping.

About half of teen vapers don't even use nicotine. Among those that do there is ZERO evidence of dependency. Nor any science suggesting dependency among non-smoking nic users.

Because of that, most teens will likely outgrow vaping because it is purely a fad, a "stick it to the man" thing.

Most teen smokers do NOT quit because of the dependency issues.

Really, I'd be happy if 80% of teens vaped and absolutely none smoked.

Of course the govt disagrees because they know that teen smokers ensures a continuation of the tobacco tax revenue stream. Teen vapers won't be that reliable and in fact vape taxes will further discourage that large group of nondependent never smoking vapers from making it a lifelong activity.

 

[mattiem]

My opinion on this "teens should not be allowed to vape". Most smokers started smoking while they were young teens. Are we seriously hard hearted enough to say to them "no vape for you to get you off cigarettes, you have to continue smoking until you are old enough to vape" and, I would much rather that young teen start vaping instead of getting hooked on cigarettes in the first place. I truly do believe with ever fiber of my being that they WILL NOT get addicted to vaping.

 

[mattiem]

Of course the govt disagrees because they know that teen smokers ensures a continuation of the tobacco tax revenue stream. Teen vapers won't be that reliable and in fact vape taxes will further discourage that large group of nondependent never smoking vapers from making it a lifelong activity.

Truer word were never spoken

 

[VNeil]

The only logical way to be against teen vaping, IMHO, is the flavors.
Because we sort of don't know when it comes to flavors.

I'd be all in favor of anyone, anywhere, vaping unflavored any time they want.
Just like I'd be in favor of them going to haunted houses and rock concerts any time they want.

If nicotine is added to the mix, I'm not any less in favor of it.
It might help produce a brighter generation with the foresight to stop the madness.

But the flavors are, and always have been, my sticking point.
Which in no way implies that I'd be against flavors, as I am prone to favor free choice.

If you believe vaping to be harmless and you believe kids should be free to vape unflavored then I fail to see how flavors even enter into it?

 

[VNeil]

My opinion on this "teens should not be allowed to vape". Most smokers started smoking while they were young teens. Are we seriously hard hearted enough to say to them "no vape for you to get you off cigarettes, you have to continue smoking until you are old enough to vape" and, I would much rather that young teen start vaping instead of getting hooked on cigarettes in the first place. I truly do believe with ever fiber of my being that they WILL NOT get addicted to vaping.

@DC2 has a sad story of sending a smoking teen away from his shop, telling him exactly that. Only because the govt demands it.

 

[DC2]

If you believe vaping to be harmless and you believe kids should be free to vape unflavored then I fail to how flavors even enter into it?

I didn't say I believed vaping to be harmless.
I was implying that I believe vaping flavorless to be pretty much harmless.

Vaping various flavors may or may not be harmless.
At this point I couldn't really say, as there are SO MANY flavors out there.

Regardless, my real point is that I favor free choice.
Especially when there is no proof of harm.