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Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

Discussion in 'General Vaping Discussion' started by Oliver, May 5, 2016.

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  1. curiousJan

    curiousJan Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 20, 2009
    Central IL
    They already are. MSNBC story's only point .. protecting the children. They also played Merkel video about flavors targeting youth.
     
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  2. Endor

    Endor Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 31, 2012
    Southern California
    Freedom? What was that, again? Refresh my memory.... it's been so long.
     
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  3. MacTechVpr

    MacTechVpr Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    Aug 24, 2013
    Hollywood (Beach), FL
    Authorized channels and supply chain only. Alternatives will in time be criminalized. This is a de facto ban and take-over of an industry. My take. Good luck. :(
     
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  4. MrDripper

    MrDripper Super Member ECF Veteran

    Unfortunately, you are 100% correct.
     
  5. Endor

    Endor Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 31, 2012
    Southern California
    Yes, they can regulate any "component part". From what I'm reading, that's pretty broad (and no, I haven't read nor digested all 200+ pages of this thing yet).

    Frankly, it would be hard to regulate PG and VG, especially VG since it has other uses (skin moisturizer). Nicotine is a different story.

    EDIT: Also, on the live vaping blog, on page 222 the deeming also appears to cover zero-nicotine eliquid as well. I haven't confirmed that yet, just reposting.
     
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  6. SpyderBite

    SpyderBite Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 30, 2011
    Sedona, AZ
    I hope that my favorite juice vendors post their recipes if they choose to throw in the towel. My DIY juice is awful. I only make it as a backup in case I'm stuck between juice deliveries. :p
     
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  7. curiousJan

    curiousJan Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 20, 2009
    Central IL
    Order placed (nicotine and a new dual-18650 box mod), emails sent to POTUS, senators and representative, and phone call comment to WH made. I think I may just call and leave a comment every darn day. Idiots, I won't accept quit-or-die.
     
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  8. sos2001

    sos2001 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 7, 2014
    South Carolina
    Words I thought I'd never think....gonna send Trump a campaign contribution.
     
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  9. Robino1

    Robino1 Resting in Peace ECF Veteran

    We all need to have this mentality. :wub:
     
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  10. Robino1

    Robino1 Resting in Peace ECF Veteran

    Wow! Do you think he would be pro vaping? If so...I may just join you. :(
     
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  11. MrDripper

    MrDripper Super Member ECF Veteran

    If an eliquid producer has the hundreds of thousands of dollars to submit applications, do testing, scientific analysis and so on and so on, they'll survive. But as for local shops who produce their own juice lines, they don't.
    Not to mention the new taxes that will be imposed and no one will be able to afford juice just as they couldn't afford cigarettes and looked at vaping as a cheaper, albeit healthier, alternative.
    Not to mention the countless other effects these regulations will cause.
    Just a very sad day here, guys.
     
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  12. Pamawoman

    Pamawoman Too Blessed To Stress ECF Veteran

    Jul 14, 2012
    Orlando
    I see you are a WTA person as I was. That is what got me over the ciggies TOTALLY. I guess Aroma is totally screwed. Once again the middle class gets the big screw!
     
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  13. Endor

    Endor Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 31, 2012
    Southern California
    Yep. On page 222 of the deeming doc, zero nic is in-scope:

    "Also, as stated earlier, nicotine-free e-liquid that is intended or reasonably expected to be used with or for the human consumption of tobacco products in most cases would be a component or part of a tobacco product and,
    therefore, within the scope of this rule. These products will be evaluated on a case-by-case basis.
    "
     
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  14. Endor

    Endor Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 31, 2012
    Southern California
    It doesn't matter to me. Trump is disruptive. We need disruptive right now. Badly.
     
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  15. Katmar

    Katmar Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Sep 19, 2009
    Pittsburgh, Pa
    I think the vaping industry is NOT stupid. They will find ways around a lot of these regs, but, in the meantime, as CASAA says, it's FAR from over.
     
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  16. CharTech

    CharTech Super Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 19, 2009
    Carolinas
    Sad day for vaping. Even though I knew it was coming I am still in
    disbelief. Such an injustice.
     
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  17. TVSH

    TVSH Full Member

    Jun 5, 2013
    Boqueron, P.R. USA
    But it would still be very hard to regulate VG and after 5 years of vaping that's all I need to stay happy.
     
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  18. Big Me

    Big Me Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 24, 2014
    England
    Man, and I thought the TPD was excessive...

    :censored:
     
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  19. vape-addict

    vape-addict Super Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 20, 2010
    mississippi
    I'm optimistic there is over a 2 year window by that time HR 2058 will pass and the FDA will have to go back revise the regs.. not the end yet..have faith people..too many players with too much to lose.

    Peace
     
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  20. Mazinny

    Mazinny Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 25, 2013
    NY
    Am i interpreting this correctly ;

    - vendors have 90 days from today to introduce new products to the market without a PMTA application !?
    - products currently on the market are ok until at least Aug 2018 !?
     
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