Yeah. You could make yourself crazy thinking about it.
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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Yeah. You could make yourself crazy thinking about it.
They better make sure they pay the tobacco tax on that lighter.
The only use I get out of a lighter nowadays is for lighting candles, not at any altar though, and also light incense with. The whole thing is beyond ridiculous.
You better not alter that 100mg nicotine.
I haven't seen this posted in the thread, but if I missed it and this is a dupe, I offer my apology.
NicoPure Labs files for Summary Judgement in FDA Lawsuit
NicoPure Labs files for Summary Judgement in FDA Lawsuit
I fear at this point the FDA deeming will become the lessor of issues. With the States setting aim on vaping, like Utah, PA, CA, IN, etc.. it is going to become very difficult regardless of the grandfather date.
The genie has been allowed to get out of the bottle..............
More States will follow suite.
The genie has been allowed to get out of the bottle..............
More States will follow suite.
I think states are making their own laws in lieu of a federal law. Once a federal law is established I think the states will generally fall in line behind it. If some states allow vaping the ones who ban it will not want to miss out on the revenue once vaping becomes as popular as smoking.
Thanks. I missed this. Diving down into the legal stuff I was interested in exactly how the Deeming would affect one of the oldest and largest players in the vaping universe. After all, many of us started are journey with Halo. Myself included.
Source for the following extract's: https://www.nicopure.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/20-1-004.pdf
This would necessitate a staggering amount of testing given FDA’s estimates that “there are 5,000 to 10,000 e-liquid product-package combinations” and “800 to 1,000 delivery systems product-package combinations” on the market. (AR023,939.)
14 FDA predicts that the need to cross-test every e-liquid with every available vaporizer,
and every component with every other available component and e-liquid, will
make it “difficult” to obtain premarket approval for parts, components, and opensystem
vaporizers. 81 Fed. Reg. at 29,017, 28,998. (See also AR024,007.) In actuality,
the extent of testing required will make it impossible to obtain approval.
Even if Nicopure eliminated 80% of its products in response to
the Deeming Rule, submitting PMTAs for the remaining 20% would take approximately
720,000 hours (equal to 30,000 days or 82.2 years) to complete. (Id. ¶ 27.) A
dedicated team of 10 employees would take nearly a decade to complete that task if
all 10 team members worked 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year—yet
FDA has allotted only 2 years for compliance. 81 Fed. Reg. at 29,011. (See also
AR149,701–2.)
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I agree with you to a certain extent, but the situation is not terribly different than for cigarettes in today's market. Some states have very affordable cigarette prices due to lower taxation and others quite high. I can buy (or could buy when I smoked) a pack of cigarettes for $5 in Houston whereas in NYC it was $12.50. It's the reason cartons would be brought in from low tax states for resale in a high tax state. Yes, it was illegal to do so, but unless you were reselling, there's not much they could do if I came home with a carton or two for my personal use.
I also think we're still quite a distance from vaping being more popular than cigarettes, and with excessive taxation and regulation, the likelihood of that actually occurring is approaching zero.
The price of cigarettes from state to state is, indeed, quite different. But even that is a small difference in comparison to some states allowing vaping and others essentially banning it. As for vaping becoming as popular as cigarettes, remember growth rates of such an activity grows exponentially. In other words, it takes a long time for it to grow roots. But once it has, it grows quickly. I would not underestimate the ability of vaping to take over smoking within the next 10 - 20 years (all things being equal).
I'd love to see vaping replace smoking across the population. Think of the lives saved, illnesses reduced, and putting BT out of business (I wish). But the endless witch hunts make it look less and less likely. I'm hopeful that least more short term studies will come showing the benefits and harm reduction with vaping over the next 2 years to provide objective evidence and force attitudes to change. My fear is by the time all the data are available to support vaping, it will have already been killed off. Sure, an industry can rebuild, but it will never be with the kind of investment made until this point simply out of the fear it could get shut down, with all the attendant financial losses, again.
And that's the crux of the matter. If vaping is allowed to flourish, it will. IMO, the only thing to stop that is if the pols can be bought off in sufficient numbers to stymie the vaping movement. BT and BP know this obviously. There are no limits to which they will try to save their interests. We have a daunting task ahead of us to be sure.
It's got to be unprecedented, the rise and fall of an industry within a 10 year (or less) span.
A beneficial industry at that, and who knows what might have been accomplished had it been allowed to flourish. While the killing industries just plug along. What is wrong with this world?
A beneficial industry at that, and who knows what might have been accomplished had it been allowed to flourish. While the killing industries just plug along. What is wrong with this world?
Yes, the problem is this world is dominated/ran by human animals which by their very nature (greedy, self serving, short-sighted) worship money above all else. The deeming evidences this where the government seeks to -destroy- the best smoking cessation method available so that profits for BT, BP and tax revenues can flow unrestrained. The fact they haven't found a single health hazard associated with vaping hasn't slowed them down one bit. All they see or care about is $$$ and more specifically who's entitled to it. Those who contribute the most $$$ to politicians are, without fail, most entitled...
Not Enough Individuals Stand Up, Get Organized, and then Do Something (Anything) when confronted with things that they Do Not Like.
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