Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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Agreed. It's just more "cookie jar" money for politicians to dip into for their endless social programs that don't do anything to address real issues. I'm no liberal, but I would like to see taxes on vape products set aside for building sleep shelters for people who need it.
Check out this "Capsule Hotel" in Japan... Why not build these for homeless people here?
If you're old enough to be drafted then you're certainly old/mature enough to have a beer and certainly old/mature enough to vape!
Just saying
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I think the only real measure would be had if one could locate dated archived " members on line" stats for differing time periods and dates. There are countless members who came, joined, got what they needed , and moved on with their lives. I wonder if banned members are still counted in the figures. I know that from my perspective, there aren't the number of new threads that there were a couple years back, many vendors have gone by the wayside, just take a ride through the archives and see the list. Some of the vendor areas had solid followings, which evaporated as they closed. Then there's the whole migration thing that happened...'nuff said about that...
Agree, I would add that if you are old enough and mature enough to vote politicians into office, you should be old enough and mature enough for anything. We all have to live with the consequences of voting decisions.
The flip side to that is why more folks were/are not motivated to come here and try to understand what the deeming regs are all about. Unless most vapers still haven't heard of it, or think because he market has been close to the same after the regs were released, there's nothing to worry about.
Possible. I tend to think people give up hope so it keeps them from coming to ECF. Seemed ECF was at its pinnacle when we saw new products and new juices coming to market at a rapid pace. That isn't happening anymore so there is less to talk about. Who knows though??
We'll probably see a ton of activity when the shops start closing en masse if the deeming goes unchecked.
Yeah... we probably will.
And a Good Parallel for it would be like a Smoker not doing something about Quitting until He/She is Diagnosed with Late Stage Terminal Cancer.
Day Late and a Dollar Short.
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I think back to when I picked up vaping, there just weren't any shops around, now they are all over the place. It's easy for someone nowadays who finds out about vaping word of mouth to just go to the shop recommended to them, and get hands on help in selecting gear, tasting juice etc.
I was actually steered to ECF by one of the employees in the shop I did find way back then, she knew that what I was looking for wasn't something they had available, and I was asking too many questions I guess
I was actually steered to ECF by one of the employees in the shop I did find way back then, she knew that what I was looking for wasn't something they had available, and I was asking too many questions I guess
Don't forget those who left ECF in favor of forums that permit the use of profanity. I'm sure the number is small, but contributes. On the other hand, that number may not actually be that small. Millennials love to swear! I wouldn't be surprised if the latest revision of Webster's Dictionary actually defines "Fck", "bichez", and "Ho's".
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IDK about numbers but I kind of agree with ZoiDiman, that if people flock to vape sites in earnest hope of findiing out what happened with deeming regulations, I shall be annoyed.
The smoke shop I go to is completely acting as if deeming won't apply to them. I am suspecting they will survive, they've been cooperating with the FDA from the get go, and their idea of stocking up is a gallon of your favorite juice. Sorry, B&M I am not remotely comfortable with that, LOL, and they sell 0 building supplies, that I am aware of. Lots of KT products. Reasonable staff. But, they're a bit too... complacent for me.
Anna
The smoke shop I go to is completely acting as if deeming won't apply to them. I am suspecting they will survive, they've been cooperating with the FDA from the get go, and their idea of stocking up is a gallon of your favorite juice. Sorry, B&M I am not remotely comfortable with that, LOL, and they sell 0 building supplies, that I am aware of. Lots of KT products. Reasonable staff. But, they're a bit too... complacent for me.
Anna
Nah, I've seen a few others looking harried, or having ridiculous in house sales. I mean, yeah, they put on a show about "everything will be fine," but this place takes it over the top. I think it's part of that national chain that was first in the country to open or whatever. I mean, it's at least clear to them that they want to get everyone on board (I do enjoy their radio ads) and that things will be different, certainly. Ask them what you'll be paying after deeming and they remain specially quiet on the subject. And a gallon of ejuice? With the amount of DL and cloud chasing equipment they sell? That's a specious gallon as most folks sub-ohming will go through that in a year. They know this, they are selling "carefully crafted FDA gains," IMO, to lull folks into a false sense of security. Just my opinion, of course. 
Anna
Anna
I will guess that those who are committed to a lease agreement are going to stay open. We don't know what last minute deals will be made. Chinese manufactures stand to lose billions, and they aren't just going to sit back and let that happen. The U.S. debt to China is $1.092 trillion, as of April 2017. That's 27.9 percent of the $3.9 trillion in Treasury bills, notes, and bonds held by foreign countries. I'd say this alone gives them more than enough political leverage to ensure that sales remain fluid.
Big tobacco wants to stay in business, and there's no reason why they can't. They need to drop their 20th century mode of thinking. Instead of fighting the future, they need to become part of it. Competition is the mother of true Capitalism. I don't know about you, but if Phillip Morris came out with a line of "Marlboro" e-liquids, I'd be all over them! Fluids derived from USA grown PM tobacco, with varying caramel and vanilla flavorings...
It's okay to name them.
There is an enormously high likelihood that they will not survive.
Because almost no one will survive outside of Big Tobacco unless things change drastically.
Not saying that there aren't still a couple of avenues for drastic change though.
But cooperating with the FDA sounds highly doubtful to me.
If you name them, it might be possible to determine if they really ARE trying to do right.
Like, if you said Halo maybe, because they might have a very slight chance.
Well it's not Halo, it's Freedom Smoke USA. I do recall some harried statements from the couple that started that chain, as my husband was trying to sell them e-cig lanyards, they were nice they were just, "We have other issues at the moment." I do think they participated in that big meeting and they have a fair sense of where the FDA is going... That doesn't mean they are "doing right" necessarily, just that they want to stay open with their costs low as possible.
I hope they do, if only because if you go to the right location you will find some knowledgeable staff. I don't much care for their juice, (or mainly KT products) but they are the only vape place I know that is allowed to free sample juice though it was limited to 5, now. So, I found that odd (I thought all tasting had to be paid for).... I dunno. I think they do a fairly decent job with new smokers and their juice is right down the middle of the road, though yay, I don't have to worry about that in the future And, I guess, I am in Arizona where e-juice is not considered a tobacco product, so that may be why they're doing some stuff different... Sigh.
Anna
I hope they do, if only because if you go to the right location you will find some knowledgeable staff. I don't much care for their juice, (or mainly KT products) but they are the only vape place I know that is allowed to free sample juice though it was limited to 5, now. So, I found that odd (I thought all tasting had to be paid for).... I dunno. I think they do a fairly decent job with new smokers and their juice is right down the middle of the road, though yay, I don't have to worry about that in the future
And, I guess, I am in Arizona where e-juice is not considered a tobacco product, so that may be why they're doing some stuff different... Sigh.Anna
I'm pretty sure Freedom Smoke USA is on top of things.
But I still doubt that "cooperating with the FDA" is anything but a smokescreen.
Regardless, they've been in the game a long time and don't bury their heads.
They may not necessarily be upfront in how things are going though.
But I still doubt that "cooperating with the FDA" is anything but a smokescreen.
Regardless, they've been in the game a long time and don't bury their heads.
They may not necessarily be upfront in how things are going though.
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