Six years confirmed by our resident chemist and DIY guru Kurt--and counting...
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
Thank you both!
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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Thank you both!
you are the one who mentions panic ... I'm just being sensible about this.
better to have and not need ... than need and not have.
the time to panic ... is when you need and cannot find
Maybe some people have little confidence that the FDA will take no Other actions against e-liquids that contain Nicotine for the Next 2 Years?
Once the FDA has a Statutory Legal Authority over e-liquids that contain Nicotine base, could they say Limit the Milligrams per milliliter level? Or something like Restrict the Total ml's that can be shipped thru the mail to say something like 60ml?
Time frame is a guess. A semi educated guess but a guess never-the-less.
Depending on your age bracket.... who knows how much you need to prepare for.
Take my fav liquidI need to start buying reserves now and do so every other or every month to build up a stash that will last me a long time. That along WITH my normal order costs a bit of cash. I do it slowly over time, the extra cost is negligible.
It's been my experience that ready-made juice shelf life is not very long (6 months?). I notice mine don't taste so great after 6 months.
Certainly panic in the face of no clear direction to go in. 90 days is a very short period of time to work with as it relates to beating the FDA back into their hole in the ground. I'm still reeling that junk science is providing the base for prohibition. Not one test on a vape vs. a cigarette. Glantz stating that the English doctors are off their heads because they used REAL science and REAL surveys...(well, OK he didn't say the last part obviously). I'm just gonna take long deep breaths and wait for a week to see if anyone anywhere has the wherewithal on how to fight this. And I would guess contributions may be required - specially for CASAA.
Robin is my Alison Bradbury.Time frame is a guess. A semi educated guess but a guess never-the-less.
Depending on your age bracket.... who knows how much you need to prepare for.
Take my fav liquid
Six years confirmed by our resident chemist and DIY guru Kurt--and counting...
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
Kurt:
#1: My opinion has not changed...and neither has the nic that has been in my freezer for almost 6 years. As far as I can tell.
#2: Freezer slows or stops pretty much any reaction we would be concerned about. So breakdown of VG included. I have not tested my ~6 year old nic to see if the VG is still stable, but I have no reason, either in experience or from my own knowledge, to believe otherwise.
#3 20 years is a long time, but I strongly suspect your nic will be fine. PG nic in the freezer is more liquid, so oxidation may be present after 20 years. But you are asking me to predict a very extreme amount of time when there is no data currently, so YMMV.
Nicotine Comparisons
I don't know if your eliquid will work the same as mine.
I only vape one flavor from one vendor. So I know what that is supposed to taste like at all times.
I buy my liquids every other month or so. 5 - 100ml bottles. For an experiment, I ordered an extra 30ml bottle just to throw in the freezer. After a year and a few weeks, I pulled that bottle out of the freezer and treated it like I had just bought it fresh. Took the cap off for 24 hours or so then capped it back up to start the aging process.
There was no noticeable difference in taste from one that was not treated to the freezer test. The color was the same as it was when I first put it in the freezer. When both started the aging process, darkening slightly as it usually does, they were identical.
The only thing you can do is try it with yours. As soon as you get it, don't open it, just put it in the freezer and see what it tastes like after 6 months. You already know just having it on the shelf for that long isn't good to you.
Worth the try
Except for the original RY4 recipe, which vanished forever with the chemist who invented it...
Lol... actually that was a Janty flavor developed in the Netherlands. Ruyan #4 is a different eliquid. The actual eliquids I'm talking about were in the Ruyan e-cigars (although in some of their early ecigs as well) and that flavor is still the same flavor now.
They most certainly do if not specifically through the released deeming regs they
will either make additional regulations or modify the deeming regs. They have stated
as much in the deeming regs they reserve the right to create new regulations or
modify existing regs in order for them to more effectively regulate the market.
Again this hinges on what the FDA in fact chooses to do. If the FDA chooses to
they can regulate anything used to the manufacture of the juice or hardware
quite easily at point of sale. To demonstrate this head to your nearest drug store
and purchase some sudafed.
When laws are enacted that regulate the use of items the general consensus is
90% of the people will abide by the law. In this case I believe the FDA will not concern
itself if this holds true in the case of our industry. However there have been exceptions to
the 90% consensus most notably prohibition. Prohibition did not ban the legal sales or
consumption of alcohol. Prohibition regulated the legal sales of alcohol for consumption.
One could purchase alcohol legally with a Doctors prescription for medicinal purposes.
(
,,nudge,nudge) What happened then was the percentage of people consumingalcohol sky rocketed resulting in more active drinkers during prohibition than before.
I am not certain what the reason for this was but, the governments reaction to this
was to say the least very forceful. All these new drinkers along with the old drinkers
were not buying their alcohol per legally prescribed channels. They were quenching
their thirst with black market alcohol. This effectively stifled the governments control
and regulation of the legal market. The rest is history. It would be quite intersting
to observe the result if a similar scenario resulted in the case of these deeming reg.'s.
Note that the illegal sales also avoided the taxes from legal sales of alcohol.
Regards
Mike
I don't know if your eliquid will work the same as mine.
I only vape one flavor from one vendor. So I know what that is supposed to taste like at all times.
I buy my liquids every other month or so. 5 - 100ml bottles. For an experiment, I ordered an extra 30ml bottle just to throw in the freezer. After a year and a few weeks, I pulled that bottle out of the freezer and treated it like I had just bought it fresh. Took the cap off for 24 hours or so then capped it back up to start the aging process.
There was no noticeable difference in taste from one that was not treated to the freezer test. The color was the same as it was when I first put it in the freezer. When both started the aging process, darkening slightly as it usually does, they were identical.
The only thing you can do is try it with yours. As soon as you get it, don't open it, just put it in the freezer and see what it tastes like after 6 months. You already know just having it on the shelf for that long isn't good to you.
Worth the try
Good idea - wish I had tried it in the past - my fav liquid was just discontinued - had been vaping it for 3 years - all day vape. I would have stocked up on it years ago. I'm going to give it a try with another flavor - thanks!
No problem
Let me know how it works out for you.... although a few months is a long time to remember
Love it!!I think you missed the "and counting" part
So what that tells me, he has had some in his freezer for 6 years now. It is still good. He will keep testing it each year..or however long he tests the product
... although a few months is a long time to remember
A Few Months? I can't even Remember what I had for Lunch Yesterday.
And they say Nicotine is a Mental Enhancer. Go Figure.
I'm in no panic...............But do plan of spending a few hundred over the next week. A few finish up items at current pricing.
No doubt there will be some fire sales down the road, but I'll leave them for those truly in need.
There is no downside to prepper buys - you are going to use everything eventually anyway. For flavors, is best to nail them down first :- )
What happened to him? Did he transcend our dimension and step into nirvana?
Nobody knows exactly. Stuff of legends, really. He just vanished and took the recipe with him. I'm not kidding.
Might work if they change the name to flavor drops or some such and remove the vaping related name from their company.
If the FDA determines it is intended for vaping they will stop it.
I have a solution to all of this....
Is it too late for America to become a British colony again?
Just a thought.
Is it too late for America to become a British colony again?
Just a thought.
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