Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[GunMonkeyINTL]

I understand.

But I still don't understand how any regulatory agency in this country can be allowed to "regulate" (de facto ban) anything they have not proven to be harmful in any way to anybody.

My bad. I assumed you were American. You would understand how they could do that, if you were.

/sarcasm.


Seriously, start emailing the Trump campaign I don't have the tweeter app, but I have sent emails from all three of the addresses I have. We gotta get him to start talking about this in his press conferences, just like he does his "wall".

 

[wiredlove]

The FDA expanded advertised use doctrine now includes actual use. If you are selling
a product marketed as not for a specific use and it is being used for that anyway you
had better have a good excuse to explain to the FDA why you didn't know this was
happening. Again I will repeat I do not think the FDA will go down this road but could
if they chose to do so.

Regards
Mike

I think it's time to start advertising and also using random other stuff for e-cigs.
I regularly vape through cardboard packaging tubes while hanging from a swing set in the backyard while blowing clouds through a trombone. It's a process.

 

[Katya]

I totally agree! I'm going to record Stossel too. This is a story he is sure to agree with us on!

Stossel endorsed e-cigarettes a long time ago. This video is 5 years old...

 

[Katya]

Stossel is currently fighting lung cancer. Ironic, eh?

I didn't know that. I'm so sorry...

 

[Sir Kadly]

My bad. I assumed you were American. You would understand how they could do that, if you were.
/sarcasm.

Way to be insulting. Completely uncalled for.

 

[crxess]

I still Diagnose and Repair my own Automobiles.
I still Repair my own power tools and home appliances.
.........and I Still intend to Vape.............My Way.

A simpler America.............. for Simpler Americans

Some of us Get it
FDA, You don't!


2006 E-cigarette....................................

2016 and Beyond

Oh, Interesting Read:
The Ultimate Guide To Electronic Cigarettes - Ms Vapor

Did not know RJR did a Billion Dollar Belly Flop with their first Smokeless Cigarette

 

[Katya]

My bad. I assumed you were American. You would understand how they could do that, if you were.

/sarcasm.


Seriously, start emailing the Trump campaign I don't have the tweeter app, but I have sent emails from all three of the addresses I have. We gotta get him to start talking about this in his press conferences, just like he does his "wall".

What did I do???

Never mind, Don't answer that...

 

[JustWondering1]

I didn't know that. I'm so sorry...

Me too!

 

[kross8]

Yep. On page 222 of the deeming doc, zero nic is in-scope:

"Also, as stated earlier, nicotine-free e-liquid that is intended or reasonably expected to be used with or for the human consumption of tobacco products in most cases would be a component or part of a tobacco product and,
therefore, within the scope of this rule. These products will be evaluated on a case-by-case basis."

i think the mail order vendors of ejuice will start making 'taste vials' for 'ice cream',, in other words,, they will mix flavors up w/o nic, vg,pg etc and send them out as a food flavoring.

 

[lauragal]

Pfew.. I just read about it.. this is about the same what ist happening here in Europe (TPD2)...

I think it is a good idea to launch petitions and increase the pressure towards the politics, but I fear if you look at the sales charts of cigarettes (Big T) or nicotine products (Big P) in comparison to e-cigs, it is obvious who is losing money... and who will do anything to stop that.

Most vapers here have their cellars stuffed with RTAs and concentrated Nicotine base, which will keep them vaping for 20+ years...(my stock will last me over 40 )

What is the shelf life of concentrated Nicotine base?

 

[GunMonkeyINTL]

What did I do???

Never mind, Don't answer that...

Sorry. Truly not intended at you. My sarcasm was directed at the fact that illogical regulation was the new "American way". Came out wrong, I guess.

In fairness, there's no way to know, for sure, who is from where, on the Internet, so I couldn't have been questioning your citizenship. Rather, was just saying that Americans should be used to senseless regulation.

 

[Katya]

What is the shelf life of concentrated Nicotine base?

Six years confirmed by our resident chemist and DIY guru Kurt--and counting...

Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

 

[kross8]

the vaping community needs to really pull together,,,, and come up with a clear educational in your face slogan or something to create dialog with the general public and send a message to the FDA..........and even tho i hate bumper stickers.. especially on my bmw,, i will slap whatever we come up with on my car.

 

[Katya]

Sorry. Truly not intended at you. My sarcasm was directed at the fact that illogical regulation was the new "American way". Came out wrong, I guess.

TY

We're good.

 

[Robino1]

What is the shelf life of concentrated Nicotine base?

If you freeze it, I have heard years.

This post is great: nicotine shelf life?

This forum is great for all questions regarding DIY. DIY E-Liquid

 

[crxess]

What is the shelf life of concentrated Nicotine base?

Not long enough or I'd buy more.

Hoping mine - in Freezer can make 10 years. By then I won't be strong enough to lift my mods.

62yrs and Mad as Hell at the FDA

 

[Jazzman]

IMHO the argument is undefeatable on that basis and if you read
the reg.s there is nothing excepting these batteries I am aware of.
Cotton wicks and kanthal wire has other uses and is covered. PG/VG
has other uses and is covered. These are necessary components of
a finished tobacco product,the e-cigarette. The specific manufacturers
of these products are not covered. Buyers and sellers are covered if
these products wind up in devices covered under deeming.

Mike

Sorry @skoony , I don't agree at all. The FDA I'm sure is talking about Ego style batteries, regulated or not. Regulated like the twisters with voltage settings (as poor as they were). They are not talking about "loosies" 18650s that vaping is a minority use for. But agreed the FDA worded that really poorly and that's the kind of language in the regs that a seasoned legal team can exploit. So I am glad they worded it like that. All it will take is a couple of poorly worded provisions of the regs to allow an easier fight for an injunction while the regs are reworked by the FDA to narrow the legal focus. Delays like an injunction are one of the primary weapons of a seasoned legal team and only serve as an advantage for us since the FDA has clearly structured the regs for next to no response time for clarification and allows very little time for businesses to respond and restructure business objectives resulting in a significant loss of employment in the US. The last jobs report (this week) was pretty dismal and led to amending the last 2 job reports to be re-evaluated and lowered. This does carry weight with the government, especially in an election year.

 

[sparkky1]

This sounds good but for one thing. For instance if a company sells R/C or flashlight mod accessories and has a sudden increase in battery sales that doesn't track with an increase in flashlights or R/C
vehicles the FDA could assume that the company should reasonably know what caused the increase
in said sales if only for the fact that tracking sales for analysis is done quite often more times
than not.

Additionally the FDA could analyze imports of specific items in search of discrepancies
and investigate the causes of these and take appropriate actions if deemed necessary.
all of the of course hinges on the FDA's desire to do so. They certainly could if they chose
to do so. I personally do not believe the FDA will pursue this route unless it is necessary
to effectively control and regulate the market.

Regards
Mike

Mike, what your failing to realize is that the agency is setting themselves up for un-realistic ability to support all the task at hand within the current staff on hand, whats that going to look like in legislator explaining how their going to budget the man / women power to analyze / inspect / sales / marketing / labeling / data entry and keep up with logistics of just battery's, let alone adding in the other 5 components with the same needs everyday within their current budget, who's going to pay for all of that ?

 

[Bronze]

I'm not sure I understand the sudden rush for many to take up DIY. As I understand it, our favorite liquids will be available for 2 more years assuming there are no laws or injunctions that extend this even longer. What am I missing here?

 

[7sixtwo]

Mike, the FDA is going to have it Hands Full trying to maintain some assemblance of order with Black Market Nicotine. And people Skirting e-Liquid Sales. Let alone Attempting to try and track down Every Spool of Wire being sold in America and then making a Case for Intended Use.

Exactly. As overgrown and aggressive as it is; the FDA is not omniscient, nor omnipotent. Their first priority will be to attack those "dastardly" people/companies who dare to mix PG/VG with nicotine and sell it without their approval. All the vape gear in the world is useless without juice. "Verboten" mods/toppers being sold, (not simple end user possession), will be a focus of effort also. Wick, wire, and batts are far down the list, as regulating those isn't really feasible, regardless of what they "deem".