Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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Although the advanced notice of the proposed rule - Federal Register :: Public Inspection: Tobacco Product Standard for Nicotine Level of Combusted Cigarettes - does not make mention of ecigarettes, there is a clause on page 11:
Yep, they're going after the nic in liquid form. Well played.
Yep, they're going after the nic in liquid form. Well played.
I wonder what would happen if instead of writing letters ASKING our representatives to support the HR 2058, iF all of a sudden ALL elected officials from the state level to Trump all started receiving millions of emails and letters DEMANDING that they abolish the CORRUPT FDA and FIRE all current employees and start from scratch with a REAL agency that's ONLY mandate is to PROTECT the American people!
The FDA as it stands right now is one of the most corrupt agencies of the Federal Government! They are in the pocket of Big Pharma and now Big Tobacco!
This is one of those items that TRUMP has the duty to do something about! He wants to REDUCE the cost of medicine for healthcare - a good place to start is with a COMPLETE REBOOT OF THE FDA!
The FDA as it stands right now is one of the most corrupt agencies of the Federal Government! They are in the pocket of Big Pharma and now Big Tobacco!
This is one of those items that TRUMP has the duty to do something about! He wants to REDUCE the cost of medicine for healthcare - a good place to start is with a COMPLETE REBOOT OF THE FDA!
The ANPRM wasn't exactly Big News to those who follow the FDA.
But I think what was a Subtle shift were the Two Words used before the word "e-Cigarette" in the Reuters article I quoted.
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There is someone out there, Bronze, who will seek to ban the Dew. They saw you enjoying yourself in an unapproved manner.
Wasn't that Kinda a given right from the Get Go?
At least someone is Talking about Black Markets (Top of Page #12 in your Link) as a Result of Regulations.
Limiting the nic level in combustible tobacco is a natural gateway to limiting nic levels in "all" products. You dont have to stay at a Holiday Inn to see that one coming.
That is good news IMHO. It sounds like he is willing to not only allow but suggest that current smokers switch to ecigs and that he wants to encourage innovation in this market to make them as safe as possible. That combined with a nic reduction in combustibles should help strengthen the vaping market.
One thing I would consider doing for combustibles if I were them, would be to make it so anyone born after 2000 cannot legally buy combustible cigarettes. This would mean that if you were not 18 when the law went into effect that you would never be able to buy them legally. It would also "grandfather in" anyone that was already a legal addicted smoker. I know some people beg, borrow and steal them at younger ages, and get "addicted", but it shouldn't be as strong of an addiction as someone that has been smoking regularly for years, thus it should be an easier habit to break. That combined with leaving ecig's legal purchase age at 18 should curb any NEW consumers of combustibles.
This is where prohibition of alcohol failed, they tried to cut off the addicts all at once and no possible alternative. If they had just grandfathered in anyone already of legal age at the time, alcoholism might not exist today.
I take that as the author's opinion.
My concern is that this is an end around that makes the deeming almost a moot point. Limiting "combustible" tobacco will garner much broader support while the mention of nicotine liquid regulation will go unnoticed by many.
Not necessarily, they are looking to see what might be added to a combustible to add nicotine to it. I can't imagine people water logging a combustible with PG infused with nic. It is more likely they will just smoke more, thus getting more of the tar, carbon monoxide, etc. However, if they actually make a proposal banning or restricting the nic we use to DIY, you can bet your ... I will be buying a lifetime supply for the wife and I before they are actually implemented.
I doubt it will either, it was just an idea.
There will be no anti corruption measures. There will be no logical analysis. None of that is going to happen.
I kind of think that Trump knows of a vaccine or something to cure baldness, in the Mexioco or somewhere, and he wants it... I do not believe his claim of "allowing in" "life saving medications" from other countries, although if it were true, I would probably applaud that.
If creating a black market is going to be a thing... again... Well I will be able to participate in it to the best of my ability. Kind of felt it was going to come for smoking, but I can't believe I actually QUIT SMOKING and am now still facing this madness, although there's no sense demonizing one without the other.
If the goal is to create instability in as many areas as possible, the USA sure seems to be making progress, both internally and externally. Sigh.
Anna
I kind of think that Trump knows of a vaccine or something to cure baldness, in the Mexioco or somewhere, and he wants it... I do not believe his claim of "allowing in" "life saving medications" from other countries, although if it were true, I would probably applaud that.
If creating a black market is going to be a thing... again... Well I will be able to participate in it to the best of my ability. Kind of felt it was going to come for smoking, but I can't believe I actually QUIT SMOKING and am now still facing this madness, although there's no sense demonizing one without the other.
If the goal is to create instability in as many areas as possible, the USA sure seems to be making progress, both internally and externally. Sigh.
Anna
The Shift is, IMO, seeing it be Openly Printed by a Mainstream Media Outlet.
Deeming is still Fundamental in that it Grants the FDA Authority to Regulate e-Cigarettes/e-Liquids.
Now just How they are Regulated is really where we are today.
ETA: I could Envision something Similar to what the UK has done implemented in USA under the Current FDA.
I am going to start pricing one of these to keep my 100mg nicotine reserves..."on tap" (15.5gallons baby!):
"We" didn't survive, at least on this continent. The Native Americans were the ones who were using the leaf, and mostly in ceremonies although I am going to bet that there were a few tobacco hounds among the bunch. I mean...
Also, back in olden times, like caveman times, my ability to metabolize vast amounts of "fermented" fruits and berries without getting sick was probably an ASSET. I'd be nicely fed, AND having a fantastic time. Etc.
So no, I think these things probably have their roots from long ago and far away, it's just the industrialized society's way of "commodifying" things and "modifying them."
I bet once, there was barely any nicotine and certainly not much else harmful about the plant, not in the same way as things are today.
Overfocus on anything will make it worse, but "addictive" spells money: to drug manufacturers, to big tobacco, and to politics.
Anna
Also, back in olden times, like caveman times, my ability to metabolize vast amounts of "fermented" fruits and berries without getting sick was probably an ASSET. I'd be nicely fed, AND having a fantastic time. Etc.
So no, I think these things probably have their roots from long ago and far away, it's just the industrialized society's way of "commodifying" things and "modifying them."
I bet once, there was barely any nicotine and certainly not much else harmful about the plant, not in the same way as things are today.
Overfocus on anything will make it worse, but "addictive" spells money: to drug manufacturers, to big tobacco, and to politics.
Anna
This proposed rule would justify limiting access to liquid nic based on it's potential to enhance a combustible without the deeming coming in to play.
As we battle the deeming issue they can throttle nic availability on that basis. Game over.
Should we as vapers fight that proposed combustibles rule we end up being lumped together with the cigarette makers, an unpopular and likely negative association we do not want.
As we battle the deeming issue they can throttle nic availability on that basis. Game over.
Should we as vapers fight that proposed combustibles rule we end up being lumped together with the cigarette makers, an unpopular and likely negative association we do not want.
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