Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[zoiDman]

So they think it's difficult to for consumers to make their own e-liquid...? ...

JMO again.

But I believe the FDA is referring to Nicotine Extraction verses DIY with currently available Ingredients.

 

[zoiDman]

Think add only nicotine, not VG PG etc. That's about as much as I should say "in passing".

How many people do you think would/could actual do this? Even saying that the "Fix'ns" were available for purchase.

 

[Alexander Mundy]

How many people do you think would/could actual do this? Even saying that the "Fix'ns" were available for purchase.

I believe they are thinking about intermediaries taking the raw product and diluting it then selling it to consumers. Not difficult to do or time consuming and make a large profit at current costs.

".....there might develop an illicit market providing the mechanism to do so, ...."

 

[Alexander Mundy]

Or even selling the illicit smokes made that way

 

[zoiDman]

I believe they are thinking about intermediaries taking the raw product and diluting it then selling it to consumers. Not difficult to do or time consuming and make a large profit at current costs.

".....there might develop an illicit market providing the mechanism to do so, ...."

Could be. Nicotine Mules and Bag Men.

Is it me? Or do others ever just stop and look How Crazy this is All Getting?

I remember when the BIG Issue is should a person be able to vape in Chilis.

 

[Rossum]

Think add only nicotine, not VG PG etc. That's about as much as I should say "in passing".

I'll say more. Pure nicotine is hygroscopic. The only reason we buy nic diluted with PG or VG is because that's more suitable for vaping than a water-based solution would be, but there's no reason it couldn't be diluted in DW just as easily. Also, most nicotine salts are soluble in water.

 

[Alexander Mundy]

Could be. Nicotine Mules and Bag Men.

Is it me? Or do others ever just stop and look How Crazy this is All Getting?

I remember when the BIG Issue is should a person be able to Vape in Chilis.

 

[ScottP]

Reading the following (coupled with other quotes of him acknowledging that ecigarettes ARE less harmful than cigarettes and the whole "continuum of risk"), it sounds to me more like he is trying to drive smokers to ecigarettes (and other NRT's). The only question is "what kind?". Ecigs are not going away, they may change to a specific design, they may get more expensive, but I don't see them going away anytime soon.

Gottlieb acknowledged that flavorings may have a role in helping some smokers “switch to potentially less harmful forms of nicotine delivery,” which he cited as a pivotal element of future FDA regulations.

"We must make it possible for current adult smokers who still seek nicotine to get it from alternative and less-harmful sources,"

"At the very time I am trying to take nicotine out of combustible tobacco, I don't want to be sweeping the market of products that provide an alternative to smokers who want to get access to nicotine,"

 

[Rossum]

Is it me? Or do others ever just stop and look How Crazy this is All Getting?

It's not just you.

But things have been crazy before.

Spoiler

 

[zoiDman]

Reading the following (coupled with other quotes of him acknowledging that ecigarettes ARE less harmful than cigarettes and the whole "continuum of risk"), it sounds to me more like he is trying to drive smokers to ecigarettes (and other NRT's). The only question is "what kind?". Ecigs are not going away, they may change to a specific design, they may get more expensive, but I don't see them going away anytime soon.

I Don't think there has ever been Any Doubt that there will continue to be an e-Cigarette Market.

It's that "what kind" question that makes people Nervous.

 

[ENAUD]

Could be. Nicotine Mules and Bag Men.

Is it me? Or do others ever just stop and look How Crazy this is All Getting?

I remember when the BIG Issue is should a person be able to Vape in Chilis.

It's going to get even crazier, remember, they are from the government, and they're here to help

 

[Bronze]

And then once in awhile a politician nails it...

"We had one hearing. Mr. Zuckerberg sent his lawyer. Very bright, very articulate. Could talk a dog off a meat wagon. But he didn't say anything."

---Sen. John Kennedy, Republican of Louisiana

 

[classwife]

Is it me? Or do others ever just stop and look How Crazy this is All Getting?

It's pathetic and shameful.

 

[jpasint]

More bad news for PM. Looks like their e-cig is not going to save them.

Philip Morris Plunges the Most in a Decade on Slump in Cigarettes

 

[Pamawoman]

Haven't been on in a while. I just received an infuriating article. Florida has an amendment to our State Constitution to ban offshore drilling. They just happened to add a ban on vaping in enclosed workplaces onto it. I do not understand what these two have in common. What a bunch of baloney. A vaping ban has no business being in any Amendment. I am guessing someone with deep pockets put it in this particularb Amendment to make sure it will pass. So frustrated!

 

[CMD-Ky]

When it comes to career politicians, regardless of party, the votes go where the money resides.

Haven't been on in a while. I just received an infuriating article. Florida has an amendment to our State Constitution to ban offshore drilling. They just happened to add a ban on vaping in enclosed workplaces onto it. I do not understand what these two have in common. What a bunch of baloney. A vaping ban has no business being in any Amendment. I am guessing someone with deep pockets put it in this particularb Amendment to make sure it will pass. So frustrated!

 

[stols001]

I guess Florida will be vaping "pork" for a while. Attaching things to bills already in process is one of the rather more nefarious ways of getting something accomplished. It's sneaky.

And, I'm sorry

Anna

 

[CMD-Ky]

If one can't openly enter through the front door, a sneak around to the back door will work. (For those to whom the ends justify the means.)

 

[zoiDman]

... A vaping ban has no business being in any Amendment. I am guessing someone with deep pockets put it in this particularb Amendment to make sure it will pass. So frustrated!

Cole-Bishop Amendment



But I Understand what you are say'n.

 

[MacTechVpr]

"He has erected a multitude of New Offices and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and to eat out their substance."

“For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.”

The Declaration of Independence, In Congress, July 4, 1776.

Good luck.