Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[LoveVanilla]

And in case you had any doubt about what was coming next...

Doctors see big loophole in FDA action against e-cigarettes and want it closed

It is time to fight, NOW.

 

[Katya]

And in case you had any doubt about what was coming next...

Doctors see big loophole in FDA action against e-cigarettes and want it closed

It is time to fight, NOW.

Arrgh. Gummy bears, again.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Arrgh. Gummy bears, again.

Cant sleep but need to. Wiped after reading a good part of the rule. Crashed for hours. Now paying the price wide awake. Guess I'd better log off and give it a try Kat. Good night all and good luck.

 

[Katya]

Cant sleep but need to. Wiped after reading a good part of the rule. Crashed for hours. Now paying the price wide awake. Guess I'd better log off and give it a try Kat. Good night all and good luck.

Sweet dreams, Mac! It ain't over yet!

 

[Katya]

Look what I just found in my Inbox!




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[nicnik]

And in case you had any doubt about what was coming next...

Doctors see big loophole in FDA action against e-cigarettes and want it closed

It is time to fight, NOW.

U.S. doctors are so mean. I think I like UK doctors, better. But worse than being mean, I disapprove of their anti-science stance.

 

[nicnik]

Cant sleep but need to. Wiped after reading a good part of the rule. Crashed for hours. Now paying the price wide awake. Guess I'd better log off and give it a try Kat. Good night all and good luck.

Goodnight, Mac. Sleep well, and enjoy tomorrow.

 

[LoveVanilla]

No, the fight has just begun in earnest. My personal action plan:

1. Execute actions as requested by Casaa. (done, to date)
2. Fight hard to turn the tide against the FDA's propaganda campaign through comments to "news stories" (i.e. their press releases/propaganda)
3. Stock up on vape and DIY supplies. (done.)
4. Consider what might be the most effect civil disobedience e.g. black markets (Al Capone?), vape in's at Congress, White House, etc. Considered that we might need an "underground railroad" to supply smokers who want to quit. Or that vapers should each carry a tommy gun when vaping

Interesting that as this nation contemplates ending its unsuccessful drug war, the FDA now seeks to qualify a new class of citizens for persecution and prison i.e. ex-smokers.

 

[WharfRat1976]

"The story that needs to be told is what an egregious failing of public science this has been,” he says. “This narrative has emerged that e-cigarettes are somehow an evil tobacco industry ploy that has been concocted to hook a new generation of children. Nothing could be further from the truth, and yet this myth persists.”

 

[WharfRat1976]

Yep. Unfortunately cigs benefit from over 130 years of being on the market and were even advertised as being "good for your health" as late as the 50's. Cigs have been entrenched in society for so long they've become protected because prohibition is too politically dangerous.

An exponentially safer alternative has been born but it's too young to protect itself. So it's easy to extinguish it by simply piggybacking the risk using the "looks like a duck" offense.

And it was pretty naive of us to think that the Fed would not "error on the side of caution."

 

[The Ocelot]

And Tide fixed that with Cutesy commercials with Advertising and lightly veiled Safety warnings

Look at how other products are handled and see the picture.
Tide Pod - No real control - remember parents keep them out of reach
Lead Paint - restricted to commercial applicators - still marketable.
Cigarettes - Warning label on the side.................Just Die already Fools
Flavored Alcohol Commercials.......well, only Adults by Alcohol

Vapor Products - No real world reason for unjust Taxation, 95%-99% healthier than Smoking, reducing the Next Generation of Taxable Smokers,etc.
HOW DARE they, Crush that industry.

At my local store this is on the lowest shelf, right at kid level.

 

[The Ocelot]

I don't know how it would b

It's not clear to me who will enforce it. I don't know which enforcement agency has jurisdiction and I doubt it would be a priority for for any federal law enforcement agency.

Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms already has jurisdiction.

 

[Wuzznt Me]

Why should they worry about flavors enticing children? Children can't vape. They made it illegal.

 

[drysprocket]

Thought for the night- I know Youtuber's are going to preach advocacy like no other in the coming weeks as they usually do...but I think they need to unite and coordinate. I crap on them quite a bit, but they're one of the best tools we have at helping everyone unite, in addition to ECF.

I feel like a large portion of vapers are only on there and aren't really active on here, but they're scattered in pockets. I hope Youtuber's consider their role in all of this. They have the power to get the masses moving....I hope they know how to use it.

And yes- someone needs to call RiP. Time to bury some hatchets.

 

[HBcorpse]

Just so you all know:

The FDA has agents monitoring this forum. They are among us.

They're taking names.

Which makes me want to not post here...but, I'll gladly go down with any one of you, any day!

 

[jwbnyc]

Don't know if this has been posted:



Keep an eye out for the Man of The Hour, Zeller.

 

[Jman8]

[Video removed]

 

[Jorge22]

No-nicotine e-liquids will have to carry the warning "this product is made from tobacco". Batteries are "tobacco products". Etc. Now, all you have to is elect Donald Trump for president!

The EU Art. 20 seems gentle and wise now in comparison.

 

[smokinGAVIN]

I don't think that something like this will happen in my country anytime soon but I do feel for you guys.

 

[jhelliwell]

Dark times... I'm in a very sombre mood for you guys and I'm sorry. If there is anything us foreigners can do, please create a CTA with guidance for non-US folk. Just hope that this crap you're facing won't last