Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

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Really? I don't want to sound... adversarial or anything, but it feels like most of the people I know who vape have been keeping an ear to the ground... Same with people online...
I'm glad to hear that folks around your area are well informed. Not like that here at all. I have met 2 people in person in the last 2 yrs that knew what ECF or CASAA are!

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I work in aviation and we have quite a few regulations that if violated will....end badly for you
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Airfield security is covered under U.S. Code.
 

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Airfield security is covered under U.S. Code.

Yep. I had free run of the local air force base as a field engineer for a multinational corporation. It was all good until one day when I was covering for a buddy who was on vacation. I entered a SAC area to make a call and the gate guard waved his arm at me. I thought he saw the pass in my window and was waving me on, so I eased through the gate. I heard a whistle blow, looked up in my rear view mirror, and saw him sighting down his M16 at me. I backed up and he told me that his first shot would have been my tires, followed by the rear window. Those guys are serious and obviously authorized to use lethal force.

Anecdotal, but representative of government's mandate for excessive control. He could have just keyed his radio and contacted one of his roving guard buddies to pull me over. They were everywhere in SAC.
 

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Yes the code of federal regulations

Not really. The U.S. Code is the codification of the general and permanent federal statutes (as in federal law). Regulations are generally created as a result of the those statutes.
 
I'm glad to hear that folks around your area are well informed. Not like that here at all. I have met 2 people in person in the last 2 yrs that knew what ECF or CASAA are!

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Well, I can't say about their knowledge about ECF, but CASAA is definitely known here. It might be that certain shops in the area are attempting to inform people too. So that helps..
 

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Anecdotal, but representative of government's mandate for excessive control. He could have just keyed his radio and contacted one of his roving guard buddies to pull me over. They were everywhere in SAC.

Nope. Security of restricted areas is serious business and has nothing to do with government control. It DOES have everything to do with preventing unauthorized access to someone who may wish to create havoc with critical resources. As such, there's no playing around when it comes to critical assets used in national defense.

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Nope. Security of restricted areas is serious business and has nothing to do with government control. It DOES have everything to do with preventing unauthorized access to someone who may wish to create havoc with critical resources. As such, there's no playing around when it comes to critical assets used in national defense.

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Not really. The U.S. Code is the codification of the general and permanent federal statutes (as in federal law). Regulations are generally created as a result of the those statutes.
Thanks for the clarification [emoji6] Seems like just about everything will be illegal in some fashion the way we are headed.



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Man is not free unless government is limited. (I won't give attribution for this quote, it would only cause some to become upset.) These regs are a mere symptom of the cancer which is an over reaching government. Our government is virtually unlimited in its power over the actions of what was once a free people. Control over nearly every aspect of life has become the operative philosophy of government, both state and federal, regardless of the party in charge.

These regulations have touched you personally and the reaction has been profound. The creeping growth of control has been increasing for years but it has been ignored or even welcomed by some until, at last, it has affected the members here personally.
I couldn't have said this better. Thank you.
I tried to with a couple of the posts in my blog. For those that care to read them the link is over there under my name. (oops, the link is no longer there :D ya gotta click on my avi and go that route) We that have been on this forum and just from living for a very long time have seen this coming for a while now. They say one person can make a difference and in some cases all it takes is for one person to finally stand up and say "We aren't going to take it anymore". In this case thousands of us have been screaming it from the rooftops but there is just to much money being lost and now BT, BP, and BG are doing their best to keep the money flowing into their pockets.
 
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Money and control Boys..........America has been dying a slow death for many years., not unlike Great Brittan , Islamic State Anyone?........Freedom? coke or Pepsi/Chevy or ford.....that's about it.........The FDA makes the mob look legit, unless we have a radical return to the Constitution and replace our "elected" officials with real men of integrity were done...the vape thing will be inconsequential compared to what's on the horizon
THIS, exactly!
 

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Right now, all I'm hearing about is that it is illegal to sell to minors. It worries me that this, which should be anyway, is the spin the FDA is putting on this to get the general public on board with the entire regulations.
Of course it is. It's followed instantly with: "Many vaping industries, large and small fear these regulations will put an end to e cigarettes." as if minors are the only thing keeping them lucrative. Those who don't know anything about the rest of the 499 pages and what it entails (which is most of the general public) are left wondering why anyone would be against these regulations. No wonder they support the FDA's regulations. They think the ecig industry is making billions off of minors.
 

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Here's another article against the Deeming regs. It was picked-up by Yahoo.

FDA’s New E-Cig Regs Will Kill

This one is great. It was the first thing I saw when I turned on my computer this morning and the MSN news feed came up.

I said early on in this thread that I thought the Deeming would rapidly fade from public consciousness. Maybe I was wrong about that. The sheer audacity of the ruling and the absurdity of their public statements seems to have kicked up a lot of press reaction. Maybe our efforts can keep that reaction going for a while. Maybe the noise level will be enough to get some more support in Congress for the budget amendment.

It's so good I'll copy some excerpts here.

The Food and Drug Administration released its long awaited e-cigarette regulations on Thursday. Vapers’ worst fears are confirmed—these regulations will destroy the burgeoning industry.

Though the FDA marketed its regulations as restrictions on minors who purchase tobacco products, the 499-page release contains far more. Perhaps the most ridiculous FDA claim is that these regulations will lead to increased innovation—even though the agency admits that 99 percent of the market will not be able to comply.

Page 267 of the regulations, “FDA believes that [premarket review] (and the deeming rule as a whole) will not stifle innovation but could, instead, encourage it.” This is a nonsensical claim that could only be made by a government agency.

While the FDA repeatedly claims that its regulations will lead to “significant public health benefits,” what the regulations will actually do is consolidate the sprawling, dynamic vaping industry into the hands of two tobacco giants, Altria Group (the parent company of Phillip Morris) and R.J. Reynolds. These companies are likely the only ones that can afford to navigate the FDA’s lengthy and costly approval process. As Wells Fargo analyst Bonnie Herzog stated after reviewing the regulations, “Although these [regulations] could stifle innovation, we believe this could be a net positive for big tobacco.”

Big tobacco companies are naturally enthusiastic about the coming closures of their small competitors. Without pressure to compete, these large corporations can enjoy the profits of what will become a government-created vaping duopoly. However, consumers lose. Because of the FDA, they will have fewer choices and be robbed of the innovation that has brought vaping from a clumsy oddity to a viable alternative to cigarettes.

One only needs to talk to an ex-smoker who quit by vaping to find out that, the more advanced the device and liquid technology becomes, the easier it is for cigarette smokers to kick their habits in favor of another nicotine delivery system. Policymakers should be doing everything in their powers to encourage this change. The UK’s Royal College of Physicians finds that vaping is 95 percent less harmful than smoking cigarettes. If these new regulations are allowed to fully take effect, they will bring an early death to many people.

The FDA says that it is trying to improve Americans’ health. However, by myopically treating vaping in nearly the same manner as cigarette smoking, the FDA’s regulations will cartelize a growing industry that had the potential to alleviate the many health risks (and associated public healthcare costs) from cigarettes. Now only Congress can save the Americans vapers and smokers from FDA overreach.

Jared Meyer is a fellow at the Manhattan Institute for Policy Research, which publishes Economics 21 where this column originally appeared.
 

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The regulations will only get worse in my opinion. This is just day 1 of the war is a very correct statement. The Fed hasn't even begun the war.

The Fed was years late putting out these 1000s of pages so they hurriedly published the Regs. Finally published them.

Overtime they will simply add more as they refine the law. The Fed has just begun the war. The new regs were merely their first salvo.

This is government expansion at its finest.

As we know, Democrats create bigger and bigger government.

Republicans like to shrink government.

That's the old adage at least.

I will continue to be a staunch soldier and keep my pinky finger in the .....
I agree with you on this.
The one thing that came to mind when you refereed to future regulations was
they have already sunk the ship with the first salvo.All of a sudden a cartoon bubble
sprung up in my head with a picture of the FDA sinking the life boats and strafing the
survivors.
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Q: Is there anything in the published regulations that prevents the FDA from requiring manufacturers to prove that they are working toward compliance during the 2 to 3 year grace period?

I hope I'm being paranoid, but I see an opportunity for certain groups with vested interest to push the FDA in this direction for more immediate and devastating action.
 

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