Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Munk]

So I'll be spending two tons of money then...

 

[hittman]

I've been trying to read through this thread but it's just too long. Has anyone answered the question as to whether there was eliquid being sold and marketed in the US prior to the 2007 cut off? I didn't start until 2009 but remember RuyanDirect but I don't know how long they were in business. Janty was another name I remember.

 

[bnrkwest]

I am trying to catch up on all this, seems like they want to turn everything over to big tobacco so it is easier for them to regulate. Sad! Glad I have a bunch of PV's and can make my own juice if necessary!

 

[sparkky1]

He is merely one head of a very very long Medusa like, snake.

True but he is the mastermind behind the agenda, once again using the well known revolving door called the FDA
Big Pharma, not tobacco companies, wages war on electronic cigarettes

 

[DJLEC]

I know that some of said that signing any more petitions is a complete waste of time. This is likely true. After all, they have not paid attention to the ones you already sign. However, this might be due to the fact that it takes 6 months to get 100000 signatures squeezed out of more than two million vapers! The latest petition has been up since the 5th and has only 50000. It only takes 30 seconds. I know that this will take time out of your busy hand check posting schedule, but really...

I mean, and I'm likely preaching to the choir here, if you can't be bothered to sign a petition that takes 30 seconds how the f*** are you going to take time out of your busy schedule to write a letter or email to your representative that might take 5 or 6 minutes?

Sad but True.

 

[Shawn Hoefer]

True but he is the mastermind behind the agenda, once again using the well known revolving door called the FDA
Big Pharma, not tobacco companies, wages war on electronic cigarettes

Been saying that since gitgo....

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A using Tapatalk

 

[mattiem]

all of y'all are awesome !!!!!!!!!!!

you have shot the petition up over 54,000 supporters now

Let's keep it going U.S. Senate, U.S. House of Representatives, President of the United States: Reject the FDA's Deeming of Vapor Products as Tobacco Products

We are just a few days away from sending it in.......

 

[Robino1]

I've been trying to read through this thread but it's just too long. Has anyone answered the question as to whether there was eliquid being sold and marketed in the US prior to the 2007 cut off? I didn't start until 2009 but remember RuyanDirect but I don't know how long they were in business. Janty was another name I remember.

If there was, we could only produce the same ratio liquid and the same flavor as what was available then. IF we are lucky to even find that one out. IF we are lucky in that they (the FDA Idjits) 'allow' that.

Remember, they are going to make e-liquid producers to have Each mg PG/VG and flavor go through the application process. At the cost of major $$$ EACH.

My favorite vendor has run the figures. For all the liquids and the variations of each, it would cost him...

currently has 87 flavors, 8 PG/VG ratio choices and 8 nic strengths. At 330K per submission, we would have to spend 1,837,440,000.00 to get all our flavors certified in all possible combinations. That did not include menthol or any specialty flavor choices

Yes, you are reading it correctly. Over 1 BILLION dollars.

 

[Pictor]

all of y'all are awesome !!!!!!!!!!!

you have shot the petition up over 54,000 supporters now

Let's keep it going U.S. Senate, U.S. House of Representatives, President of the United States: Reject the FDA's Deeming of Vapor Products as Tobacco Products

We are just a few days away from sending it in.......

I didn't realise I could sign it (UK) but I just did

 

[hittman]

Thanks for the reply Robin. I guess I'm just trying to be hopeful that there was something that would be grandfather in out of the eliquid group. I know we have some time and I'm signing every petition I get my hands on but as of yesterday I've started building my existing stock to a new level. I don't see myself quitting vaping ever even though I use snus too. It has taken both along with some snuff to get me off cigarettes and keep me there. I can't go back to smoking and won't give up.

 

[Qew]

True but he is the mastermind behind the agenda, once again using the well known revolving door called the FDA
Big Pharma, not tobacco companies, wages war on electronic cigarettes

This!^^^^^^^^^ Zeller is the poster boy for conflict of interest! I wish the author of that article would have taken it further, the drug companies not only want us to buy their nic products, they are making HUGE profits from the drugs used to treat smoking related illnesses.

Also, for those criticizing the graphic I shared last night regarding plans for a march. I noticed the mistakes too, but, I applaud that whoever put that together, on short notice, is at least trying to do SOMETHING!! What are YOU doing? Do you have a better plan? Please share.

 

[mattiem]

I didn't realise I could sign it (UK) but I just did

Thank you for signing and also for letting others know that even though they aren't in the US they can still be supporters of this petition. We are all in this together.

 

[Robino1]

Thanks for the reply Robin. I guess I'm just trying to be hopeful that there was something that would be grandfather in out of the eliquid group. I know we have some time and I'm signing every petition I get my hands on but as of yesterday I've started building my existing stock to a new level. I don't see myself quitting vaping ever even though I use snus too. It has taken both along with some snuff to get me off cigarettes and keep me there. I can't go back to smoking and won't give up.

Trust me, as optimistic as I try to be, I am slowly stock piling stuff myself. My CC hates me from 2 days ago. I will wait a month before it hates me again.

Don't ever give up. I have to believe that even if these draconian regulations actually get approved, we can get them overturned in time. Prohibition eventually got overturned. Took a few years but it did happen.

 

[Vapingjeff]

Funny too cause in one of their comment replies the FDA said this wouldn't create a black market and if it did it would be minuscule.

LOL!

What a joke from the FDA, there's going to be a huge black market once they start adding fees to everything or ban any brand that's currently available. I'm for some regulation but nothing extreme. Still trying to understand what it means but 1 shop owner believes a 30ml will be in the $30 range.

 

[Robino1]

What a joke from the FDA, there's going to be a huge black market once they start adding fees to everything or ban any brand that's currently available. I'm for some regulation but nothing extreme. Still trying to understand what it means but 1 shop owner believes a 30ml will be in the $30 range.

It's going to be more than that. If they can even get the liquid approved through the FDA, the money it will take to get that approval will make the eliquid cost skyrocket.

 

[VictorC]

Folks, can someone please help me understand. New FDA ruling doesn't impact mods, atomizers, wicking material, coiling material , pure VG/PG, flavourings - only e-liquids that contain nicotine?

 

[Pictor]

Thank you for signing and also for letting others know that even though they aren't in the US they can still be supporters of this petition. We are all in this together.

My pleasure

The US is a huge country, so what happens there has the potential for a ripple effect on the rest of the vaping world and it's suppliers - not only of liquids, but the manufacture and distribution of equipment. The US must account for a huge percentage of their turnover.

I frequently use a few US vendors, and wonder today just what will happen (using a favourite right now). There's also the consideration of when we in the UK are reduced to 10ml bottles of nicotine inclusive e-liquids (how ridiculous) - yes we can resort to DIY, and we're all preparing for that, but some of our favourite US liquids may disappear ..unless there are plans for concentrates ...I just don't know.

Indeed, we are all in this together.

 

[crxess]

You think the storming the streets in Washington is going to make them come out and say maybe we should reconsider?

Every action is an important Road to recognition.

I notice you did not include MADD and several other action Groups Marching for national attention.

Properly planned
Properly Promoted
And Proper actions/behaviors by attendees

Presentation is Key



If anyone thinks the Best suggestion is Do nothing - Don't Bother, you have already established your action.

 

[440BB]

The way the regs are written, every variation of liquid need to be tested on most all varieties of available equipment. That is an almost impossible standard to meet without massive cost per liquid variety. Few liquids will meet those standards, if any.

 

[Robino1]

Folks, can someone please help me understand. New FDA ruling doesn't impact mods, atomizers, wicking material, coiling material , pure VG/PG, flavourings - only e-liquids that contain nicotine?

Anything related to vaping is impacted. Yes, they even named mods, attomizers, tanks and even down to coils.

They are bringing EVERYTHING under the new regulations. We can still fight. Join CASAA if you haven't already. Stay up to date with the Calls to Action they post. Fight with everything you have.