Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[KODIAK (TM)]

After 2 years of fighting the regs through proper channels I think we're pissin' in the wind here folks. We've all seen the social engineering machine work it's magic to get where it is now. Plus, it's an election year.

Up to this point I have written, tweeted, called (yes, actually called) and made my share of rounds to as many vape shops I have access to begging for support to save themselves. I am truly amazed at the apathy and ignorance prevalent in this industry even today.

We're going to see the black market get *real* creative here. And I'd like to see the FDA follow those battered and cleverly disguised "foreign" packages to my house. I for one will support that market and use it to continue weening people off tobacco.

And I find it amusing that certain State governments that have enacted taxes on e-luiqud to shore up some of their budget shortfalls are now just as screwed as us.

 

[zoiDman]

Temporary injunction will be obtained, just you wait and see .............

I sure Hope So.

But with Vaper's seeming to get the Short End of Every Stick, I'll just stay Hopefully Optimistic about that.

BTW - I remember when talk of Raising the Legal Age to "Tobacco Products" in California was being kicked around Last Year. And some High Level "Movers and Shakers" said that just wasn't gonna happen. No way could they get the Votes needed.

I don't think Anything is Guaranteed anymore. And sometimes I wonder if I have Fallen? And this is All just a Dream as a result of a Medically Induced Coma.

 

[ZeroedIn]

I've been doing that (tweeting to him about a vaping stance).
I've seen him as our best bet for months now.

I just did he same thing.

 

[Katya]

Excellent article here: When two tribes go to war

This happy breed of men, this little world,
This precious stone set in the silver sea,
Which serves it in the office of a wall,
Or as a moat defensive to a house,
Against the envy of less happier lands,
This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England...

 

[ZeroedIn]

20 tweets. Zero response.

His account probably gets 10's of thousands of tweets a day. Be a little patient.

 

[sparkky1]

Although i wish with all my heart for this to be true my brain tells me that
health and safety concerns plus the chillin' thing is the Royal Flush in the hands
of the FDA.

Mike

C'mon skoony, even Stevie wonder can see through all the fallacy

 

[zoiDman]

C'mon skoony, even Stevie wonder can see through all the fallacy

 

[nomore stinkies]

Here is Njoy:
NJOY, E-Cigarette Maker, Receives Funding Valuing It at $1 Billion

I just posted that I actually still have several of the 2007-2009 NJoy ecigs. My subliminal point was NoOne should purchase a cigalike from this greedy lawyer who sold out to big tobacco. If things don't go like we all want it to. I will quit vaping before I buy from them. I will never, ever support BT or BP. EVER

 

[sparkky1]

His account probably gets 10's of thousands of tweets a day. Be a little patient.

BUT what if all your friends and their friends tweeted on the same day ?

 

[bobwho77]

Just my opinion here, but at first glance, I think that this will ultimately have to be settled through the courts.
Stuffing the genie of nearly a decade of technological advances back in to the bottle is almost hysterically laughable, just on the face of it. So is the idea of deeming a product that (nicotine, or not) contains NO tobacco, a tobacco product
Then there are the actual damages to retailers, and manufacturers forced to close because of the regulatory compliance burden. (A burden that by the FDAs own admission will remove an estimated 99% of vapor products from the market.)
Vaping (when an objective look is taken at the honest science) can actually prove that it is a public health benefit.
We have many legal precedent on our side Many federal judges have made a hobby of smacking down overzealous regulators.
Keep up the pressure on our lawmakers. Write letters, and emails make phone calls, sign petitions, go to their district offices, and talk to them in person, but the REAL action is going to be in a courtroom for the next phase.
Don't panic, they aren't going to start confiscating mods on the street, or jailing people for "possession of ejuice"
Be ready to toss in some bucks, when they start passing the hat to pay for lawyers

 

[Relaxed99]

How about the FDA wanting to regulate batteries? Isn't that like the FDA regulating cigarette lighters?

Uh-oh. My Bic lighters might become illegal.

 

[skoony]

We're going to see the black market get *real* creative here. And I'd like to see the FDA follow those battered and cleverly disguised "foreign" packages to my house. I for one will support that market and use it to continue weening people off tobacco.

Every package shipped through FedEx,UPS and,the USPS is required to have labeling that is bar
coded. The information in the bar code contains either contains and or tells the system via data
base precisely who shipped it and the location of the shipper. Known manufacturers and sellers
of any products of concern would to tagged upon scanning and applicable actions taken.

C'mon skoony, even Stevie wonder can see through all the fallacy

Stevie Wonder doesn't have to explain this to your average mom. The chillen' and all
that.

mike

 

[7sixtwo]

How about the FDA wanting to regulate batteries? Isn't that like the FDA regulating cigarette lighters?

Uh-oh. My Bic lighters might become illegal.

The batteries that fall under these regulations are the "vape pens" and APV's with built-in batteries. 18650's, 26650's etc were not created specifically for vaping, and are used in other electronic devices. They will not be affected.

 

[Relaxed99]

The batteries that fall under these regulations are the "vape pens" and APV's with built-in batteries. 18650's, 26650's etc were not created specifically for vaping, and are used in other electronic devices. They will not be affected.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[skoony]

The batteries that fall under these regulations are the "vape pens" and APV's with built-in batteries. 18650's, 26650's etc were not created specifically for vaping, and are used in other electronic devices. They will not be affected.

IMHO these batteries most definitely will be included. They are used in the hardware and the hardware
and all the components have been officially deemed tobacco products.

Regards
Mike

 

[TVC70]

How about the FDA wanting to regulate batteries? Isn't that like the FDA regulating cigarette lighters?

Uh-oh. My Bic lighters might become illegal.

I have ~20 LED flashlights of various types sitting on a shelf in my house, and all but a couple of them use 16340, 18350, 18650, or 26650. Cylindrical, rechargeable li-ion cells are ubiquitous in our society now, in anything from flashlights, to laptops, to automobile/motorcycle batteries. How are they going to know whether someone is using them specifically for vaping? They may try to keep vape shops (not that there'll be any left when their done) from selling them, but I don't see how they can control them otherwise.

 

[7sixtwo]

IMHO these batteries most definitely will be included. They are used in the hardware and the hardware
and all the components have been officially deemed tobacco products.

Regards
Mike

Any first year legal student could defeat that argument, if the FDA even chose to make it. As I said, 18650's etc were around before vaping, were designed for other devices, and are currently used in other devices.

 

[RobbyRocket]

So what's the timeline here before these regulations would come into place assuming they don't change much? Like as someone who is still smoking but wants to start vaping?

 

[Sockeye404]

Pfew.. I just read about it.. this is about the same what ist happening here in Europe (TPD2)...

I think it is a good idea to launch petitions and increase the pressure towards the politics, but I fear if you look at the sales charts of cigarettes (Big T) or nicotine products (Big P) in comparison to e-cigs, it is obvious who is losing money... and who will do anything to stop that.

Most vapers here have their cellars stuffed with RTAs and concentrated Nicotine base, which will keep them vaping for 20+ years...(my stock will last me over 40 )

 

[cd729596]

So what's the timeline here before these regulations would come into place assuming they don't change much? Like as someone who is still smoking but wants to start vaping?

Seems like rule start in August, then companies have 2 years to comply, I just brought my little company public right before this and will sell juice till the very last day