Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[supertrunker]

Have you ever read this thread?
Summary of substantial equivalence rulings

Not all of it. But i've never been under any doubt that the way the rules are written is intended to allow nothing to pass.
Which is not the same as how a court would view these things and that's ultimately where i think this will all end.

T

 

[classwife]

I have had some crazy nightmares in my life but I have never before had one with this many people in it.
Can I wake up please ?

 

[Coldrake]

At the end of the broadcast Kevin said he still hadn't heard from Siegel. He thinks the interview will be tomorrow (Tuesday) at 2pm EST, but he will confirm on his fb page & twitter.

Ok, now I get it. I had already set up for the Dr Siegel WhiteCloud Seminar so when I saw what Smokey Joe posted I thought they were the same thing. Sorry about the confusion.

So, I think that even though they were told in court they couldn't regulate vapor products as a drug, they just basically went ahead and did it anyway, just slapping a different title on it.

Bingo.

 

[Katya]

This leaves No Doubt that the FDA wants to "Clear the Deck" and allow Only a Select Few in the e-Cigarette Game.

Are you sure about that?

"Mitch Zeller, director of the FDA's Center for tobacco Products, tells U.S. News it's impossible to say if any e-cigarette product will be approved."

What the E-Cigarette Black Market Will Look Like if FDA Stomps Industry

 

[The Ocelot]

Ok, now I get it. I had already set up for the Dr Siegel WhiteCloud Seminar so when I saw what Smokey Joe posted I thought they were the same thing. Sorry about the confusion.

Ah, okay. Will there be a rebroadcast of what you listened to?

 

[nicnik]

I have been noticing all the comments about the effectiveness of signing petitions.
IMHO if the only thing they accomplish is to let our opponents know we are still
here with out going quietly into the night so be it. Every avenue of approach must
be covered. Every angle of attack must be utilized. Petitions might not goad them
into taking action but, I don't see that is the point. They let them know we know.
In the wee hours of the night when they drift awake for a moment of conscious thought
and it comes to them,they know. That's enough for me.

Also take into consideration that due to economic and health related mobility and
other health related issues,petitions may be the only way for some to contribute to
the cause. Lets not dilute their modest efforts by not participating in these petition
drives.

Regards
Mike

Nice, skoony. Well said.

 

[supertrunker]

It's also impossible to say what the criteria are for approval!

T

 

[Spazmelda]

Are you sure about that?

"Mitch Zeller, director of the FDA's Center for tobacco Products, tells U.S. News it's impossible to say if any e-cigarette product will be approved."

What the E-Cigarette Black Market Will Look Like if FDA Stomps Industry

Yeah, reading through I found it unlikely that BT might even get through this. Or that they would find it worth their trouble to even try.

 

[YoursTruli]

This is a good idea:

The purpose of this site is to make it easy for individuals and vape shops to get involved by pleading with their representatives to support HR2058 and the Cole-Bishop Amendment to the Agricultural Appropriations Bill.

The letter is subject to change if any new developments occur.

Currently, without the passage of either one of these bills, the entire Vaping Industry will be banned on August 8th 2018.

This One Letter Can Save Our Entire Industry

 

[Katya]

It's also impossible to say what the criteria are for approval!

And since the FDA will be in charge of approving... We're screwed.

Unless Congress stops that nonsense, I see no hope.

And on that happy note, I bid you all a good night.

 

[zoiDman]

Are you sure about that?

"Mitch Zeller, director of the FDA's Center for Tobacco Products, tells U.S. News it's impossible to say if any e-cigarette product will be approved."

What the E-Cigarette Black Market Will Look Like if FDA Stomps Industry

Yeah... I'm sure.

Because if the FDA didn't do Any PMTA Approvals, then it would be a Ban. And there would be No Legal Defense for Regulatory Overreach.

Not sure if the Pool has Started Yet? But I'll put 2-Large on the VUSE getting a PMTA done in 14 Months.

 

[zoiDman]

Just throwing Out a Hypothetical.

Would Vaper's Accept a Mid 2014 Grandfather Date?

 

[Katya]

Yeah... I'm sure.

Because if the FDA didn't do Any PMTA Approvals, then it would be a Ban. And there would be No Legal Defense for Regulatory Overreach.

Not sure if the Pool has Started Yet? But I'll put 2-Large on the VUSE getting a PMTA done in 14 Months.

Clever. Vuse it is... :

 

[Katya]

Just throwing Out a Hypothetical.

Would Vaper's Except a Mid 2014 Grandfather Date?

You mean accept? At this point, I'd probably accept anything that's better than 2007, but why 2014? Why not the date of the publication of the deeming regs?

 

[zoiDman]

Yeah, reading through I found it unlikely that BT might even get through this. Or that they would find it worth their trouble to even try.

Why would BT not pursue PMTA's?

There's Free Money laying on the Floor. Don't you think they would want to spend 30 or 40 Million for a Slice at Billions?

And that Billions Per Year.

 

[JerryRM]

Just throwing Out a Hypothetical.

Would Vaper's Accept a Mid 2014 Grandfather Date?

I would, but I don't use any "modern" hardware, such as tanks. However, I think we can all agree that any date would be better than February 2007.

 

[zoiDman]

You mean accept? At this point, I'd probably accept anything that's better than 2007, but why 2014? Why not the date of the publication of the deeming regs?

That's for the Catch Kat. Grammar Girl and the Spelling Bee are Not my friends.

Just throwing out a Date. And the Date I used came from the 1st Drafts of the Deeming.

 

[JerryRM]

You mean accept? At this point, I'd probably accept anything that's better than 2007, but why 2014? Why not the date of the publication of the deeming regs?

You beat me me to it, Tweety.

 

[Spazmelda]

Why would BT not pursue PMTA's?

There's Free Money laying on the Floor. Don't you think they would want to spend 30 or 40 Million for a Slice at Billions?

And that Billions Per Year.

I don't know if they would or not, they'll not have to worry about people switching anymore. Cigarettes are cheap to make and no regulatory hurdles and massive spending required.

 

[zoiDman]

I would, but I don't use any "modern" hardware, such as tanks. However, I think we can all agree that any date would be better than February 2007.

Yeah...

And there was Quite a Bit of Decent Hardware sold between Feb 2007 ~ Mid 2014.

BTW - Good to See you Jerry. Didn't recognize you with that Avatar.