Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[nicnik]

Thanks sparkky1.... I think it's worth citing this since there are a few more names to add to the "usual suspects" that hate vaping:

The list of Senators also signing the letter include: Senators Richard Blumenthal (D-CT), Barbara Boxer (D-CA), Sherrod Brown (D-OH), Richard J. Durbin (D-IL), Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Al Franken (D-MN), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY), Patrick Leahy (D-VT), Edward J. Markey (D-MA), Jeff Merkley (D-OR), Jack Reed (D-RI), Brian Schatz (D-HI), Charles Schumer (D-NY), Tom Udall (D-NM), Elizabeth Warren (D-MA), and Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI).

"Dear Secretary Burwell and Commissioner Califf,

We commend the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for finalizing the deeming rule that extends FDA regulatory authority to include all tobacco products, including e-cigarettes, cigars, and pipe tobacco, to protect the public’s health—and especially the health of the youngest Americans—from the harmful effects of tobacco. The deeming rule is a much-needed step to give the FDA crucial tools to prevent manufacturers and retailers of currently unregulated tobacco products from targeting our children and teens, and we urge your agencies to remain diligent in working quickly to further limit the effect and reach of these products on our nation’s youth. "

Re: underlined - it will force those experimenting teens to the harmful effects of tobacco, rather than the harmless benefits of vaping

I think I've seen Franken on the letter list before. Maybe one or two of the others in red.

Interesting, Gillibrand has joined their gang. She got her foot in the door of politics, by representing Philip Morris as an attorney, and skillfully helped them hide some of their misdeeds and schemes.

 

[halonut]

Yeah mebe halo, but you're a heck of a lot smarter than the peep's who wrote these rules. The don't even know they've already lost.

Good luck all.

I dunno bout that...I don't even know what half those words (in the reg's) mean and they got the Mercedes, fancy houses & lifetime golden parachutes.

Me...I got my peace of mind & integrity & I'm good with that!

 

[halonut]

I dunno bout that...I don't even know what half those words (in the reg's) mean and they got the Mercedes, fancy houses & lifetime golden parachutes.

Me...I got my peace of mind & integrity & I'm good with that!

and I don't think "anyone" wrote the rules....looks like a random generating word processor was used to me?

 

[StormFinch]

Has anyone seen the YouTube video by Jacob Clare, HR 2058 is dead. I am trying to keep up and I want to support and harangue about the correct bill. What is this dude talking about? And he is totally bashing CASAA. Is he just a conspiracy nut or should he be heeded. After what has happened with the FDA I am starting to believe the conspirists.

Probably the same guy that spent hours here on the forum in the thread about the deeming leak trying to convince us that CASAA was the devil and the deeming wouldn't effect the industry in the slightest. Dude was off his rocker imho. @Kent C you remember him, don't you? I believe you had several debates with him before you threw up your hands.

 

[StormFinch]

"most immediate public health and safety threat" What a crock!

While I tend to want to agree with you, we had one guy, well a friend of one guy, go panic mode during the last nail biter and order nic base straight from China while not understanding the difference between 10% nic and 100% nic. Major drama, though the friend, who was here on the forum learning what not to do, caught him before any harm was done. So yeah, make the whole industry illegal and we're going to go from teens ordering "competition" mods and blowing themselves up to ordering nic from the wrong place. I can understand his worry, but I'm not sure I'd be broadcasting it on Siegel's venue.

 

[zoiDman]

Frau Feinstein has never believed in personal freedoms, unless they pertain to her specifically.

I have followed Diane F's career ever since Moscone was killed. I will Not State my views on Her here. In that, a Trip to the Sin Bin would be the Icing on an Exceptionally Bad Week Cake

I will say this though. If you look up Narcissistic Pathological Lying Self-Serving Crocked Career Politician in the Dictionary, this is the Picture you will see to the left of the Description...

 

[halonut]

boy ain't she purdy! she got a glass eye?

 

[StormFinch]

Sorry.... laughing too hard to type anything intelligent....

 

[nicnik]

I keep telling people I'm going to claim asylum, that my government is trying to kill me. For some odd reason they seem to think I'm being amusing.

I think you'll pardon me for having laughed when I read that, because it was not just amusing to me, but very sad, and I thought to myself, "Me too".

 

[sparkky1]

Cant find the post but Cali has used up 4 years worth of MSA funds already in just 2016, borrowed funds from RJ I believe ?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/07/opinion/how-the-big-tobacco-deal-went-bad.html?_r=0

 

[Kent C]

maybe it's just me but I never saw cigs as a health advancement.

That is what I was saying. They got much revenue from cigarettes and never said it was a 'health achievement'. So there is no reason to believe they'd do that with ecigarettes, even if they started bringing in such revenue.

 

[nicnik]

The only time I compare alcohol to vapor products is when we get off on the subject of flavors. There are more under age drinkers than smokers and vapers combined, plus you can go into any liquor store and buy alcohol in flavors mimicking fruit loops, apple jacks and orange creamsicle. Yet we're the ones trying to "tempt children"??? Really???

Yes. We should be screaming about this.

 

[zoiDman]

BTW - We need to have the ECF Re-Instate stevegmu.

If he was here, he would Tell Us that Everything is going to be fine.

 

[StormFinch]

Cant find the post but Cali has used up 4 years worth of MSA funds already in just 2016, borrowed funds from RJ I believe ?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/07/opinion/how-the-big-tobacco-deal-went-bad.html?_r=0

And what really burns my backside, other than a flame about 3 feet high, is that if they'd all just promote e-cigs, they'd save more than their sin tax and MSA funds combined in Medicaid payouts.

E-Cigarettes Poised to Save Medicaid Billions

 

[Kent C]

I think I've seen Franken on the letter list before. Maybe one or two of the others in red.

Interesting, Gillibrand has joined their gang. She got her foot in the door of politics, by representing Philip Morris as an attorney, and skillfully helped them hide some of their misdeeds and schemes.

Franken was on the OMB but not the first one to the FDA

Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

 

[halonut]

That is what I was saying. They got much revenue from cigarettes and never said it was a 'health achievement'. So there is no reason to believe they'd do that with ecigarettes, even if they started bringing in such revenue.

Ya know...you're right. I moved out of SoCal 25 years ago but when I watch my beloved Angels (lose repeatedly) on FSW I see alot of those anti e-cig spots "BT's getting kids hooked on e-cigs".

They are smart enough to know that bad pub is better than no pub at all.

 

[Kent C]

Has anyone seen the YouTube video by Jacob Clare, HR 2058 is dead. I am trying to keep up and I want to support and harangue about the correct bill. What is this dude talking about? And he is totally bashing CASAA. Is he just a conspiracy nut or should he be heeded. After what has happened with the FDA I am starting to believe the conspirists.

Read the third page of the VPA report here:

http://www.tasteyourjuice.com/wordpress/archives/12809

"representative Cole has endorsed the new approach (the Appropriations Bill amendment) publicly"

And:
Cole Responds to FDA Expanding Regulatory Authority on Tobacco Products


"A Legislative Solution?

While we believe that FDA does have the legal authority to use its enforcement discretion to amend or alter the Grandfather Date for e-vapor products, FDA has so far stated that it does not believe it can do so. As a result, many advocates have been lobbying Congress to change the Tobacco Control Act itself. In April 2015, Congressman Tom Cole introduced H.R. 2058 into the House of Representatives. The bill would remove all references to “February 15, 2007” in the Tobacco Control Act and replaces it with “the effective date of the regulation under which a tobacco product is deemed subject to the requirements of” the Tobacco Control Act. Thus, the new Grandfather Date would be tied to the date on which FDA makes the Deeming Regulation effective (which could happen later this year). As a result, any products that are on the market today would be “grandfathered” and thus exempt from the premarket review requirements (but not the other regulatory requirements like Good Manufacturing Practices, ingredient disclosures, testing requirements, facility registration/inspection, etc.).

While it may be unlikely that this bill ever becomes law given how difficult it is to get anything controversial through Congress, even more recently, Congressman Robert Aderholt introduced a rider to the 2016 Agricultural Spending Bill in the House Appropriations Committee that, similar to the Cole bill, would prohibit FDA from enforcing the February 15, 2007 Grandfather Date for newly deemed tobacco products and move the grandfather date to the effective date of Final Rule for Deeming Regulation. That bill was approved by the Committee on July 8, 2015, but is still unlikely to become law because of opposition in the Senate and the Obama Administration. A good discussion of this issue can be found in the Committee Report starting on page 71: http://appropriations.house.gov/uploadedfiles/hrpt-114-hr-fy2016-agriculture.pdf."

https://www.khlaw.com/8522

CASAA has had a CTA on HR 2058 but none on the Appropriations Bill (last I looked) so some think they're pushing the 'wrong' issue.

 

[Kent C]

BTW - We need to have the ECF Re-Instate stevegmu.

And bring back Tom Baker to kick around a bit more

 

[nicnik]

"most immediate public health and safety threat" What a crock!

If you're referring to 100mg/ml nicotine being in many more homes, which I think you are, I agree. I have some, and it doesn't come close to the danger of some of the everyday household products under my kitchen sink, that don't even have childproof packaging.

 

[nicnik]

Yeah, but they've known about cigarettes since before tobacco was ever rolled into paper. King James I was having autopsies performed on pipe smokers' lungs and writing treaties against the use of tobacco for heaven's sake. It only took our infant medical establishment another 360 years to catch up.

But only 358 years for the British.
360 - 358 = 2 valuable years that could've saved many lives.