Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Katya]

Since the new forum switch over, we no longer have access to doing banners. They quit notifying us about CTA's.

We need banners. Now more than ever... And we need CTA notifications. I (or anybody willing) can start a thread in CASAA forum when we get an email from them (I hope we'll have a new one in support of the Cole-Bishop amendment soon ). But we really need banners. It's frightening how many fellow vapers and vendors alike still seem to be completely unaware (or unconcerned?) of what's going on...

*sigh*

 

[AKs0n-]

Yeah i signed it tho HR2058 cuz I understand something vs nothing

 

[skoony]

I am all for H.R. 2058 and or the other H.R.. If either one or the other passes it's
fine with me.

I hope everyone realizes either of these does not prevent the FDA from regulating
everything that happens to be on the market at the new grandfather date.

At best it buys us more time. This is okay however as time is what we need.
If we use the time wisely. I am not talking about what Casaa or SFATA or anything
the alphabet groups can do for us. It is what we can personally do for ourselves.

vape proudly,vape often and,vape everywhere. Just don't blow vape in the babies
faces (as if they would mind or care) and don't ambush gamma in the cereal aisle.
We are vapers not,lepers. It's time we act like it.
Vaper bans are not about public health. They are about keeping the general public
from realizing there is nothing to fear.

Mike

 

[nicnik]

So then the FDA needs to have a talk with the Chinese. 2058 is as trash as 2007 cuz it kills the future imo

Most of us say it's way, way better to be able to keep the innovation gains that have already been on the market, and agree on changing the grandfather date to 8/10/16, and then fight to get rid of the new one. If not, that 2007 grandfather date will destroy the industry, and be a public health tragedy of such great proportions, that it's almost to much to bear to even imagine.

 

[AKs0n-]

What if ALL suppliers refused to comply with FDA approval and marched forward? Wouldnt that put more pressure onto the FDA to create a path that is reasonable? I understand the legal consequences but it would create such a .... storm of negative controversy against the FDA solidifying suppliers unified stand against them.

Just a thought.

Also why would ppl need to have FDA approval for Chineses manufactured technology? Shouldnt US govt be enforcing such FDA on those manufacturers themselves and not just the middle man?

If I go buy a cellular shipped from China. It's alrdy US law complient so if I wished to resell I wouldn't personally spend millions of dollars so that it's "legal". Ofc that doesnt cover in house Ejuice.

This whole thing just sounds like halfass backwards Rules and Regulations. Maybe someone is more knowledgable than I and can help me understand.

I bought my cell direct from Taiwan. All "legit" on Ebay. Aint no FBI kicking in my front door. What if the FDA is spooking everone into accepting 2058 which THEN will eliminate inovation beyond that point. No?

What is 2058 the year technology will be allowed to innovate pass FDA acceptance pretending that yall are actually the manufacturers requiring FDA approval on a products yall never even invented and we jump up and down for the year 2058? Something is off here..... wth am I missing

Look up H.R 2058. It's Representative Tom Cole's House Resolution to change the grandfather date.

So then the FDA needs to have a talk with the Chinese. 2058 is as trash as 2007 cuz it kills the future imo but yeah it's a total lack of Govt effort to accept Chinese manufacturing and FDA approve it w/o pretending it's the small shops whom need to get them approved

Yeah i signed it tho HR2058 cuz I understand something vs nothing

Unless China is the problem and doesn't care to be FDA approved. Probly a failure on both ends. Way above our heads and zero to do with of any of us. Someone correct me please if Im wrong.

 

[Lessifer]

Unless China is the problem and doesn't care to be FDA approved. Probly a failure on both ends. Way above our heads and zero to do with of any of us. Someone correct me please if Im wrong.

It's not about China, it's about ALL vapor products, including the e-liquid your local shop mixes for you.

 

[nicnik]

I am all for H.R. 2058 and or the other H.R.. If either one or the other passes it's
fine with me.

I hope everyone realizes either of these does not prevent the FDA from regulating
everything that happens to be on the market at the new grandfather date.

At best it buys us more time. This is okay however as time is what we need.
If we use the time wisely. I am not talking about what Casaa or SFATA or anything
the alphabet groups can do for us. It is what we can personally do for ourselves.

Vape proudly,vape often and,vape everywhere. Just don't blow vape in the babies
faces (as if they would mind or care) and don't ambush gamma in the cereal aisle.
We are vapers not,lepers. It's time we act like it.
Vaper bans are not about public health. They are about keeping the general public
from realizing there is nothing to fear.

Mike

Yes, that'll help "normalize" us, hopefully.

The most important advocacy is helping smokers convert to vaping. The greater our numbers, the greater our power.

Fortunately, we have a lot of vaping knowlegeable people in the forums on ecf, doing just that.

 

[AKs0n-]

It's not about China, it's about ALL vapor products, including the e-liquid your local shop mixes for you.

The Ejuice I agree 110% that is an issue but I also take offense to no more online sales. Since I am extremely picky choosing everything and damn near everything I purchase is online. 10 yrs ago that was my only option and I like it better than local shops. Im just saying, alot of this dont add up, so Im trying to wrap my head around it all with my own thoughts on the matter.

 

[skoony]

Unless China is the problem and doesn't care to be FDA approved. Probly a failure on both ends. Way above our heads and zero to do with of any of us. Someone correct me please if Im wrong.

I am all for helping you.
So, what is is it you need to know?
Regards
mike

 

[bobwho77]

On another note, I just received a coupon in the mail for MarkTen's new XL product, twice the battery life!

Looks about the size of an eroll, and the carto appears to be female threaded, as opposed to the 510 threading on their original. Self contained, proprietary... someone's prepared.

They should be prepared. They probably wrote the book

 

[AKs0n-]

I am all for helping you.
So, what is is it you need to know?
Regards
mike

I asked the questions and answered them myself. If I am wrong. Feel free to correct me or Im just going to assume that Im right.

 

[WillyZee]

I only have 1

I have several ... heck, I have 8 accounts right here on ECF

 

[bobwho77]

Yeah... I'm sure this sound Tin Foil Hat esk. But No One can Tell me that the Big 3 did not know how the PMTA Requirements would be written.

And I'm sure that All 3 are well on their way to Completing their New Product Submissions.

You'd have to try really hard to convince me that they didn't write the regulations themselves. I wouldn't put it past either them OR the FDA. They BOTH have histories of doing that sort of thing

 

[skoony]

I asked the questions and answered them myself. If I am wrong. Feel free to correct me or Im just going to assume that Im right.

Woe hold on there.
I for one am not bright enough to ascertain what were in fact your questions nor
what your answers were in the first place.

I suggest you go to the FDA regs forum and do a little catching up.
9 posts today and a gap since 2010 indicates you have a lot to catch
up on.
Mike

 

[nicnik]

You'd have to try really hard to convince me that they didn't write the regulations themselves. I wouldn't put it past either them OR the FDA. They BOTH have histories of doing that sort of thing

That's probably 30-80% true. I think there were also other moneyed giants collaborating with them.

 

[Lessifer]

The Ejuice I agree 110% that is an issue but I also take offense to no more online sales. Since I am extremely picky choosing everything and damn near everything I purchase is online. 10 yrs ago that was my only option and I like it better than local shops. Im just saying, alot of this dont add up, so Im trying to wrap my head around it all with my own thoughts on the matter.

Yeah, there are a few theories as to WHY the FDA wants to eliminate vapor products. They're probably all at least partially true. There are those who are fanatically anti-tobacco, and they consider vapor products to be tobacco. There is a lot of money in tobacco, from taxes at the state and federal level, to grant money for public health agencies, to the tobacco companies, to the pharmaceutical companies that sell both NRT and cancer meds, health groups that treat and are supported by donations/grants to fight smoking related diseases. There are also those who just love to control everything because they think they know better.

 

[Sir Kadly]

I liked Tom Baker... as long as he's wearing that scarf and hat, we're good.

Or maybe I'm getting my Tom Bakers confused

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A using Tapatalk

Agreed, he was the best of the "old" Doctors, and I think arguably on par with the new.

 

[Steamix]

On another note, I just received a coupon in the mail for MarkTen's new XL product, twice the battery life!

Looks about the size of an eroll, and the carto appears to be female threaded, as opposed to the 510 threading on their original. Self contained, proprietary... someone's prepared.

Of course.

Check the names on a good number of patent applications concerning vaping hardware.


And hold on to the exact source of the FDA saying that the on't epxect many PMTA's in the first place.
Can be used against them in court.

 

[zoiDman]

I have several ... heck, I have 8 accounts right here on ECF

WillyB
WillyT
WillyC
WillyE
.
.
.

 

[Pamawoman]

Just saw an itaste listed as an electronic charger. Let the games begin!