Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

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If used judiciously, no problem. I got rid of whitefly infestation on my beloved Meyer lemon tree using some old 10% nic that had gone rancid (turned a nasty shade of pink). Mixed it with a bit of water and a few drops of Dawn, sprayed, let it sit for a bit, hosed off. Worked like a charm. I try not to use pesticides in my little garden; soap, water, cayenne powder, and garlic are great and natural insect killers/repellants. I also use light horticultural oil sprays on my plants--none have died yet. :D

The 'pesticide' route isn't likely to work. Neonicotinoid pesticides (chemically related to nicotine) are being linked to bee colony collapse. I don't know the evidence, but it makes it less likely that nic itself would be allowed as a pesticide.
 

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I could not disagree more vehemently. If you think the new FDA regulations are a slippery slope I have a bridge for you to buy. It's a full on, iced down Olympic toboggan luge.

You think I'm prepared to backtrack? I'll defer since I think you just confirmed ultimate agreement. Besides, there's absolutely no way I'm going back to find the relevant connections.

Yes, full speed ahead. Screaming all the way.
 
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Tell that to Swedish Match and their MRTP application.


Ding Ding! From his lips to Bob's ear. Even more than the flavors aspect, what we should take away from this statement is "Anything we don't like, we simply won't approve."

Actually, they kind of do. The PMTA process for all tobacco products is remarkably similar. That's why there's only been one PMTA approved in the past 7 years. The difference is, none of the cigarettes currently on the market ever had to go through the PMTA process.

That's interesting. Maybe a comparison for actually meeting health and safety factors would crush the cigarette industry. Yet, ecigs are being treated like the bad guys. Go figure.

We'll see if they stick to the issues they raised about testing the products to discover which ones blow up or contain ingredients that are harmful to health. If they compare them to cigarettes we will come out smelling like roses.
 

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http://nypost.com/2016/05/13/were-running-a-f-ing-casino-politician-tells-all-in-manifesto/

Is it possible things are starting to come together, or come completely apart?

a few quotes:
Voters are described as gullible, know-nothing jerks, while the only people who count are the big donors who pour billions of dollars into lobbying.

“Voters are incredibly ignorant. It’s far easier than you think to manipulate a nation of naive, self-absorbed sheep who crave instant gratification . . .” vents Congressman X.

He says money “corrupts” and House members are “puppets” to lobbyists who bankroll their campaigns.

‘America’s on an irreversible decline and no one in Washington seems to care . . . God help us.’

- Congressman X
“Business organizations and unions fork over more than $3 billion a year to those who lobby the federal government. Does that tell you something? We’re operating a f–king casino,” he says.
 
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This is fantastic. And as far as implications, it gives me a bit of hope. But I am but one voter.

Sharing.... thank you.
Well DP, it's very good to see you again my old friend!, And at least as of now we are 2 strong and counting!
 

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Well DP, it's very good to see you again my old friend!, And at least as of now we are 2 strong and counting!

Indeed it is, mud. I noticed that you popped up a few days ago. I wasn't sure if you'd been away, or if we were just moving down different streets lately. I do hope that everything's well with you.

Regardless, yes, it is very good to see you. And even better to see what you've brought with you. MARVELOUS article, and I thank you. :)
 

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Indeed it is, mud. I noticed that you popped up a few days ago. I wasn't sure if you'd been away, or if we were just moving down different streets lately. I do hope that everything's well with you.

Regardless, yes, it is very good to see you. And even better to see what you've brought with you. MARVELOUS article, and I thank you. :)

Not so much different streets, just traffic jammed in BUSY life streets. But I made time when all this fecal matter hit the rotating wind machine. :)
 

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http://nypost.com/2016/05/13/were-running-a-f-ing-casino-politician-tells-all-in-manifesto/

Is it possible things are starting to come together, or come completely apart?

a few quotes:
Voters are described as gullible, know-nothing jerks, while the only people who count are the big donors who pour billions of dollars into lobbying.

“Voters are incredibly ignorant. It’s far easier than you think to manipulate a nation of naive, self-absorbed sheep who crave instant gratification . . .” vents Congressman X.

He says money “corrupts” and House members are “puppets” to lobbyists who bankroll their campaigns.

‘America’s on an irreversible decline and no one in Washington seems to care . . . God help us.’

- Congressman X
“Business organizations and unions fork over more than $3 billion a year to those who lobby the federal government. Does that tell you something? We’re operating a f–king casino,” he says.

Pretty much sums things up ... however, this time it will backfire.

Forget the lawsuits from vendors ... watch for the lawsuits from folks who have lost loved ones.
 

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Just a thought ...

What if the FDA discovers that vapor is not that much worse than breathing ordinary city air? That's what Dr Farsolino found. Will they shut up about it?

Nah, ecigs are on a track to put cigarette companies out of business. The Master Settlement Agreement to the states must be paid out annually until 2025. Big Tobacco must continue, and it's obviously being protected by the FDA.

Tobacco smoke kills. Why is it still legal?
 

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Not so much different streets, just traffic jammed in BUSY life streets. But I made time when all this fecal matter hit the rotating wind machine. :)

I had a feeling it was something along those lines. Thanks, and hang around for a bit. We'll need an army... :thumb:
 

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Just a thought ...

What if the FDA discovers that vapor is not that much worse than breathing ordinary city air? That's what Dr Farsolino found. Will they shut up about it?

Nah, ecigs are on a track to put cigarette companies out of business. The Master Settlement Agreement to the states must be paid out annually until 2025. Big Tobacco must continue, and it's obviously being protected by the FDA.

Tobacco smoke kills. Why is it still legal?

I'm thinking Analog Photography, Video cassettes and Tupperware ... smoking is on a one way track to extinction.
 

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I'm thinking Analog Photography, Video cassettes and Tupperware ... smoking is on a one way track to extinction.

If we can assist, Mistah Zee, I think you're onto something. Pressure must remain in the full ON position though. We cannot be deterred.
 

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