Ooh, how did I miss that? I want a Betty Boop one
I still have the penlight and laser ones, not sure if I can still get batts for those.
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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I still have the penlight and laser ones, not sure if I can still get batts for those.
With all the reviewers in this industry, there must be someone that can at the very least do the recording of the ads.
New cottage industry, advertising under x amount of dollars
With all the reviewers in this industry, there must be someone that can at the very least do the recording of the ads.
New cottage industry, advertising under x amount of dollars
I was hoping someone like the billion lives folks would have done some of this already.
A group of volunteer moderators with some FAQBot shortcuts?
My favorite so far, posted to the We Are CASAA group a couple days ago, a response from McCain saying he is taking your opinion under consideration and urging you to submit your comments to the FDA before the public comment period ends in June of 2015.Kinda like the canned replies we get from our messages to, what are supposed to be, our representatives.
I love the NBS ads, they look good, great information. I've recently realized, with pretty much everything we do, vapers are the only ones who see them.With all the reviewers in this industry, there must be someone that can at the very least do the recording of the ads.
New cottage industry, advertising under x amount of dollars
And that was the biggest
comment I have ever seen. Talk about out of touch with reality. sadly true and we don't need to be convinced
I guess I should have said, most of us don't need to be convinced. There are those that still think everything will be fine in the end because a black market will grow to replace what we have today. I, for one, would have no idea as to how to maneuver through any kind of black market so am hoping, praying and fighting to keep it from coming to that.
I don't think you are alone in that, I would venture to say the vast majority of vapers would not participate in a black market of an kind for a wide variety of reasons, and, I do not think a black market will be as viable as some think it will be all said and done, every time I hear someone is not worried what will happen because there will be a black market to count on just makes me
yeah..... um ..no
We SHOULD have been doing them all along. This has been a propaganda war, from the start, and we've known that regs were coming for at least the last couple of years.
Guys like Bill Godshall, and Clive Bates, and the rest have done yeoman's work getting the FACTS out there, but they needed, and still need OUR help to get the message out to the public at large. We've ALL (vapers, manufacturers, and suppliers) been busy in our own little corners, while our lives, and our livelihoods have been under attack. It may not be too late, but if it isn't, it's damn close.
Black Markets aren't what you think. I'm not saying it will be anything like as easy at it is now, but going to a foreign site, dropping $50 on a bottle of nic base and hoping it makes it through customs, that's the black market most are talking about.I don't think you are alone in that, I would venture to say the vast majority of vapers would not participate in a black market of an kind for a wide variety of reasons, and, I do not think a black market will be as viable as some think it will be all said and done, every time I hear someone is not worried what will happen because there will be a black market to count on just makes me
From the day that I found out that vaping was in danger, I have been active in all Calls to Action. I've even tried to get people on board with a little project a few of years ago. It went okay but didn't really help in getting attention to the media like we wanted it to do.
There are many of us that have been very active. As most of us are clueless as to what to do, we have relied on organizations to help us get started.
I have been writing my reps for years. Absolutely have not gotten anything back except for the canned responses that look so similar to what everyone else gets back from different states.
We can only fight in ways that we know how to fight.
The whole damn system is broken. That is the problem.
There are many of us that have been very active. As most of us are clueless as to what to do, we have relied on organizations to help us get started.
I have been writing my reps for years. Absolutely have not gotten anything back except for the canned responses that look so similar to what everyone else gets back from different states.
We can only fight in ways that we know how to fight.
The whole damn system is broken. That is the problem.
I don't think you are alone in that, I would venture to say the vast majority of vapers would not participate in a black market of an kind for a wide variety of reasons, and, I do not think a black market will be as viable as some think it will be all said and done, every time I hear someone is not worried what will happen because there will be a black market to count on just makes me
IMO the folks talking about the black market, or laying in enough DIY supplies to last a lifetime are already GIVING UP
Would have been nice if the video reviewers had of been doing more of this before they have nothing to review.
Not sure if folks noticed, but that Billion Lives group does seem to be strategically seeking change through visibility. They were initially blocked on Facebook - they had banners or something that were banned, violating TOS for promoting a tobacco product.
They argued, generated social response, and got Facebook to change it, as they aren't promoting a product at all.
The 30-second promos are a great idea. But TV is exhorbitantly expensive, because it only WORKS if you put the message in front of people OVER AND OVER. Think about the ads you see all the time. Those are the ones that work. I doubt anyone in the vaping industry has millions of dollars to invest in an awareness campaign on TV. They SHOULD - rather than spend it on FDA applications...but...well...the only people with that kind of funding are the ones we're fighting against.
I still think these should be made. But we'll have to try to make them viral, online.
And I hope Billion Lives, at some critical point when we need it, will become generally available to view in it's entirety, free online, too. Something we could all point to, and say "watch this - it will change your perspective on vaping". I haven't seen it of course, but early signs seem to say that it's convincing, feels unbiased and true, and blows up all the BS put forth by BT and the FDA.
They argued, generated social response, and got Facebook to change it, as they aren't promoting a product at all.
The 30-second promos are a great idea. But TV is exhorbitantly expensive, because it only WORKS if you put the message in front of people OVER AND OVER. Think about the ads you see all the time. Those are the ones that work. I doubt anyone in the vaping industry has millions of dollars to invest in an awareness campaign on TV. They SHOULD - rather than spend it on FDA applications...but...well...the only people with that kind of funding are the ones we're fighting against.
I still think these should be made. But we'll have to try to make them viral, online.
And I hope Billion Lives, at some critical point when we need it, will become generally available to view in it's entirety, free online, too. Something we could all point to, and say "watch this - it will change your perspective on vaping". I haven't seen it of course, but early signs seem to say that it's convincing, feels unbiased and true, and blows up all the BS put forth by BT and the FDA.
Oh... not giving up by any means. We just have seen the way the government has been operating for years.
For the first time, I am actually starting to stock up. I truly thought that all the testimonials, all the meetings with the FDA and all the other things we have done, would make a difference. Obviously the FDA Does. Not. Care.
I am still fighting, my god....I donate to every damn thing. I am keeping an eye on any news about a march on Washington. We throw ideas about PR around and TRY to come up with SOMETHING.... ANYTHING....
I am still stocking up but by no means does that even CONVEY that I am giving up.
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Most TV stations, and cable providers have special rates (even free) for public service announcements from non-profit organizations.
The spots can be produced "in house", or maybe with some help from the local community college, for virtually nothing...
If it's a money issue, I'd be willing to throw in a few bucks, when the hat gets passed.
C'mon you cheapskates. Buck up! Vaping has saved us all some money, it's time to put some of it to good use!
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