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he biggest problem with that is that people get impatient and rumors start spreading... And accusations. And all kinds of other bad things.
But that really can't be avoided.

After all, they did put out almost immediately a "keep calm" notice.
But for the most part, people aren't too good at keeping calm.
:laugh:

They need to do what they think is right.
And if we think what they do is right we need to trust and support them.

And if not, at any given point, then shift to what better suits you.
There's lots of fronts on this battlefield.
 

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CASAA updated their position on HR 2058 and the Cole-Bishop Amendment:

[updated 05.16.16]

**(Update)**
It is likely that CASAA will be issuing an updated Call to Action this week which urges support for both bills. Again, I want to stress that, AT THIS POINT, there is no benefit to supporting one bill over the other. BOTH are in play. In fact, CASAA is scheduled to meet with Representative Tom Cole at the beginning of June to further discuss the matter.
 

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CASAA updated their position on HR 2058 and the Cole-Bishop Amendment:

[updated 05.16.16]

**(Update)**
It is likely that CASAA will be issuing an updated Call to Action this week which urges support for both bills. Again, I want to stress that, AT THIS POINT, there is no benefit to supporting one bill over the other. BOTH are in play. In fact, CASAA is scheduled to meet with Representative Tom Cole at the beginning of June to further discuss the matter.
Thank you.
 

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But that really can't be avoided.

After all, they did put out almost immediately a "keep calm" notice.
But for the most part, people aren't too good at keeping calm.
:laugh:

They need to do what they think is right.
And if we think what they do is right we need to trust and support them.

And if not, at any given point, then shift to what better suits you.
There's lots of fronts on this battlefield.
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Out of control government is my single issue. And yes, it is a multi-headed monster. Enough is enough. I'm not a child and do not wish to be treated like one. I'm an adult, I work, I pay taxes, I obey the law, and I vote.

And vote I will. Wisely.

There's an idea!!!!! Everyone refuse to pay taxes until they get it through their heads that we are their boss not the other way around

I've been hammering around the idea of an amendment that requires all politicians to punch a time clock and only get paid based on the time they are actually on the job. All contributions of any kind get deducted from their pay or be considered bonuses and taxed at 50% minimum. No built in retirement and a few other things like annual performance reviews and mandatory random drug screening.

You know treat them like we are all treated.
 

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There's an idea!!!!! Everyone refuse to pay taxes until they get it through their heads that we are their boss not the other way around

I've been hammering around the idea of an amendment that requires all politicians to punch a time clock and only get paid based on the time they are actually on the job. All contributions of any kind get deducted from their pay or be considered bonuses and taxed at 50% minimum. No built in retirement and a few other things like annual performance reviews and mandatory random drug screening.

You know treat them like we are all treated.
I remember a bunch of people who tried that one time in the past, I didn't turn out well for them! :(
 
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That's one thing I really don't get. If I'm a vendor, why should I have to prove what my "Flavored Glycerine" is FOR??? Maybe my customers like to bathe in it. I don't know. As long as I don't tell them "Add nicotine, then vape it" - I'd imagine I might have an argument.

But still - I think the "easy targets" are e-liquid vendors and vape shops.

Nope, you wouldn't have an argument. That's what the weaselly phrase "intended or reasonably expected" phrase is for. FDA can say you should have reasonably expected what it would be used for. Now prove that you couldn't have reasonably expected it. Fun stuff, right?
 

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Nope, you wouldn't have an argument. That's what the weaselly phrase "intended or reasonably expected" phrase is for. FDA can say you should have reasonably expected what it would be used for. Now prove that you couldn't have reasonably expected it. Fun stuff, right?
That's the challenge with the PMTA process in general. The applicant is forced to prove many negatives... e.g. prove that it isn't appealing to children, prove that it won't harm public health, the list goes on. It is a ridiculous process.
 

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CASAA updated their position on HR 2058 and the Cole-Bishop Amendment:

[updated 05.16.16]

**(Update)**
It is likely that CASAA will be issuing an updated Call to Action this week which urges support for both bills. Again, I want to stress that, AT THIS POINT, there is no benefit to supporting one bill over the other. BOTH are in play. In fact, CASAA is scheduled to meet with Representative Tom Cole at the beginning of June to further discuss the matter.
I am surprised by this. HR 2058 hasn't moved at all in a year (last update was on 5/1/2015). It doesn't have bipartisan support yet, as far as I can see. For all intent and purposes, it seems to be in la-la land.

My opinion is that the Bishop/Cole amendment has a much better shot....
 

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I am surprised by this. HR 2058 hasn't moved at all in a year (last update was on 5/1/2015). It doesn't have bipartisan support yet, as far as I can see. For all intent and purposes, it seems to be in la-la land.

My opinion is that the Bishop/Cole amendment has a much better shot....
Every angle, any means necessary?
 

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Every angle, any means necessary?
You are correct Sir!
Hit them with everything and anything. Be the firstest with the mostest.
[General Nathan Bedford Forrest] Use strategic air power,close air support,
howitzers,mortars,light and heavy machine guns,LAWS,Claymore mines,hand grenades,
small arms,bayonets,rifle butts, kick em in the :censored:,stomp on their toes,throw sand in their eyes,
spit on them,swear at them,drop leaflets( modern form:meme's),lie,cheat and, not
necessarily in this order.
CHARGE!!!
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I am surprised by this. HR 2058 hasn't moved at all in a year (last update was on 5/1/2015). It doesn't have bipartisan support yet, as far as I can see. For all intent and purposes, it seems to be in la-la land.

My opinion is that the Bishop/Cole amendment has a much better shot....

Every angle, any means necessary?
Agree with Lessifer. And also agree Cole-Bishop is our best shot at the moment because it is actually moving, but as long as 2058 is out there I'll keep it in our arsenal.
 

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I am surprised by this. HR 2058 hasn't moved at all in a year (last update was on 5/1/2015). It doesn't have bipartisan support yet, as far as I can see. For all intent and purposes, it seems to be in la-la land.

My opinion is that the Bishop/Cole amendment has a much better shot....

Honestly I am too. Even Rep. Tom Cole has stated it is basically a dead bill with no bipartisan support and is encouraging everyone to support the Bishop/Cole amendment instead. My understanding is some of the vapor advocacy groups are not in agreement with all of the language included in the Bishop/Cole amendment and are refusing to throw their full support behind it.
 

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I am surprised by this. HR 2058 hasn't moved at all in a year (last update was on 5/1/2015). It doesn't have bipartisan support yet, as far as I can see.

"Bipartisan" sounds good, but it isn't always a path to success.

In December 2009, the U.S. Senate voted 60 to 39 for Obamacare. “The Senate bill passed without a single GOP vote.”

In March 2010, the U.S. House voted 219 to 212 for Obamacare. 34 House Democrats and all of the House Republicans voted against Obamacare. The NO votes were the only bipartisan votes.


My opinion is that the Bishop/Cole amendment has a much better shot....

I agree, but not because it's 'bipartisan' - it only had 2 Democrat votes in committee - but because it's only one part of the whole Appropriations bill, and the only spending bills that Obama has vetoed dealt with the military spending or raises for military service members.
 

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Agree with Lessifer. And also agree Cole-Bishop is our best shot at the moment because it is actually moving, but as long as 2058 is out there I'll keep it in our arsenal.
Sure, I see no reason to keep the hope alive on it; I did not intend to imply that it was worthless to consider.

My thought is that it may be more productive to focus energy and advocacy on an amendment that is actually moving through Congress and is attached to an appropriations bill versus a one-issue bill stuck in a committee for a year... not to mention the amendment has at least one Democrat supporting it, something HR 2058 does not have.

Not that I can do anything about either one.... both my Senators (Boxer and Feinstein) have already come out officially against both of them. Living in a socialist nanny state is really starting to suck.
 

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Sure, I see no reason to keep the hope alive on it; I did not intend to imply that it was worthless to consider.

My thought is that it may be more productive to focus energy and advocacy on an amendment that is actually moving through Congress and is attached to an appropriations bill versus a one-issue bill stuck in a committee for a year... not to mention the amendment has at least one Democrat supporting it, something HR 2058 does not have.

Not that I can do anything about either one.... both my Senators (Boxer and Feinstein) have already come out officially against both of them. Living in a socialist nanny state is really starting to suck.
This is just me guessing, but the thought might be to keep both alive. An amendment can be gutted just as easily as it is added. If it dies, we still want as much support behind HR 2058 as we can get.
 

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My thought is that it may be more productive to focus energy and advocacy on an amendment that is actually moving through Congress and is attached to an appropriations bill versus a one-issue bill stuck in a committee for a year... not to mention the amendment has at least one Democrat supporting it, something HR 2058 does not have.
We must attack using every possible resource. Any angle. It's time to make them start looking behind themselves instead of us squabbling over tactics. The lack of resources and by this I mean money,
should not stop us. It's time for counter intelligence and misinformation. Put your representatives numbers on speed dial. Call every day with a new question and concern about the regs. Sign every petition. Write your local news papers over and over. Call your reps randomly just to tie up the
phone. You photo shoppers start making memes and send them to every meme collection site
you can think. Be imaginative,rude,political or any other genre that floats the boat.
No more mister Nice Guy. They didn't pull any punches,neither should we.

Hup two,hup two, hup two three four reagrds
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