Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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If any of them have 300 mil, I hope they put it into lawsuits that will bog the courts down to the pits of _____. This whole thing makes me so mad. Like Lessifer said, I have enough stuff and I wouldn't go back to smoking even in worst case scenario but I feel for the new people who will never have a chance. I wouldn't give the tobacco companies one more dime of my money, ever. Even if I had to go cold turkey and white knuckle it.
Hunter? If you mean Duncan Hunter Jr. - he's a solid republican and vaper. Out of 19 Democrats on the Appropriations committee only 2 Democrats voted for the Cole/Bishop amendment - Bishop and Cuellar (D TX). All the Republicans except 1 - Dent (R PA) voted for the amendment.
"Bipartisan" gets misused all the time, as if it connotes broad support from both parties. That is rarely the case. Many Senate Bills had "bipartisan support" with only John McCain and his pal Lindsey Graham voting on the Republican side. Two well known RINOs. Although I will agree that even with only one, something can be said to be "bipartisan" - nearly the same as calling an ecig a "tobacco product" - but people should know what the actual numbers are.
Per the CASAA page, lots of uninformed about the two bills. That kind of thing will hurt us for sure. We need to be united not all over the map.
**I should have said per the comments on the CASAA page.
**I should have said per the comments on the CASAA page.
The Bishop-Cole amendment is bipartisan in name only.
Here's the vote--posted earlier by Kent C:
Republicans
- Harold Rogers, Kentucky, Chairman - aye
- Rodney P. Frelinghuysen, New Jersey - aye
- Robert B. Aderholt, Alabama - aye
- Kay Granger, Texas - aye
- Michael K. Simpson, Idaho - aye
- John Abney Culberson, Texas - aye
- Ander Crenshaw, Florida - aye
- John R. Carter, Texas - aye
- Ken Calvert, California - aye
- Tom Cole, Oklahoma - aye
- Mario Diaz-Balart, Florida - aye
- Charles W. Dent, Pennsylvania - no
- Tom Graves, Georgia - aye
- Kevin Yoder, Kansas - aye
- Steve Womack, Arkansas - aye
- Jeff Fortenberry, Nebraska - aye
- Tom Rooney, Florida - aye
- Chuck Fleischmann, Tennessee - aye
- Jaime Herrera Beutler, Washington - aye
- David Joyce, Ohio - aye
- David Valadao, California - aye
- Andy Harris, MD, Maryland - aye
- Martha Roby, Alabama - aye
- Mark Amodei, Nevada - aye
- Chris Stewart, Utah - aye
- Scott Rigell, Virginia - aye
- David Jolly, Florida - aye
- David Young, Iowa - aye
- Evan Jenkins, West Virginia - aye
- Steven Palazzo, Mississippi - aye
- Nita M. Lowey, New York -no
- Marcy Kaptur, Ohio -no
- Peter J. Visclosky, Indiana -no
- José E. Serrano, New York -no
- Rosa L. DeLauro, Connecticut -no
- David E. Price, North Carolina -no
- Lucille Roybal-Allard, California -no
- Sam Farr, California -no
- Chaka Fattah, Pennsylvania - na
- Sanford D. Bishop, Jr., Georgia - aye
- Barbara Lee, California -no
- Michael M. Honda, California -no
- Betty McCollum, Minnesota -no
- Steve Israel, New York -no
- Tim Ryan, Ohio -no
- C.A. Dutch Ruppersberger, Maryland -no
- Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Florida -no
- Henry Cuellar, Texas - aye
- Chellie Pingree, Maine -no
- Mike Quigley, Illinois -no
- Derek Kilmer, Washington -no
I always looked at it as a general rule of thumb that the democrats want
to ban vaping, and the republicans want to tax vaping.
That being said, there are a few dems on our side, and a few repubs not
on our side. Pence in Indiana is up for re-election as Governor this year,
he is a repub and NOT on our side. Our Governor here in MO is a dem,
and very moderate in his views, no complaints there.
The whole issue is if you must vote dem, vote against the established
politicians. They're usually the ones that do whatever they want and
to hell with the constituents.
to ban vaping, and the republicans want to tax vaping.
That being said, there are a few dems on our side, and a few repubs not
on our side. Pence in Indiana is up for re-election as Governor this year,
he is a repub and NOT on our side. Our Governor here in MO is a dem,
and very moderate in his views, no complaints there.
The whole issue is if you must vote dem, vote against the established
politicians. They're usually the ones that do whatever they want and
to hell with the constituents.
You're right, but as of right now it is mostly the Republicans that are against the FDA's draconian regulations against the vaping industry, whereas the Democrats have too many Feinsteins and Boxers that are against us. A guy like Bishop, is the exception. Now don't get me wrong, the Republicans have their bad apples, however, in my eyes, as of right now, they are the lesser of the 2 evils, imo.
Does it have a chance Without Democratic support?
Because if it Doesn't, when do we Invoke the dreaded "C" word?
Again, 'bipartisan' at the lowest level of definition. I agree we need more Democrat support. We'll see when and if the bill goes to the full House and the full Senate - like jman likes to do, I'll take wagers on percentages of Republicans vs. Democrats :- ) and I'll contribute my winnings to seviausa.org
It most certainly appears to be their intent.
I guess no chance without more Democratic support, than just the two commitee members who voted in favor. The Senate looks a lot tougher than the House, in that regard.
We need to strike the fear of losing an election, possibly even the presidency into the hearts of the democrats.
I've been expressing my intentions to vote against my party if I don't start seeing some support. Of course I'm a drop in the bucket in CA, but I've gotten a few likes on my Facebook comments...
I've been expressing my intentions to vote against my party if I don't start seeing some support. Of course I'm a drop in the bucket in CA, but I've gotten a few likes on my Facebook comments...
It's the spin needed to gather necessary support on the House floor. A bit of cover, if Dems don't want to look like they're going rouge on their party.
The Republicans have majority in both Houses, so of course it has a chance without Democrats, just like much of the legislation passed with Democrat majorities in 2007, 2008 (the "Bush" years as the media would proclaim, but Dem Majorities in both Houses at the time of the crash) and 2009 - when the Family Tobacco Control Act was passed. Obamacare passed without one! Republican vote in either House.
That's all good 'n the hood, but the drivers of this resistance will still refuse, writ large, to see the political battle lines so clearly drawn before them.
I hate to be the constant voice of pessimism, but, after 20 years of fighting nanny-statism on the firearms front, I've spent my entire adult life watching the tides of political-populism. When i said earlier that this industry was too young and naive to win this battle, I was referencing exactly this sort of thing.
People on the vaping fight still think that you win a battle with 'right' alone.
It doesn't matter that the conservative brand has undergone a hostile takeover to demonize them as homo/zeno/nuevo-phobic, the general public still thinks that words like "liberal" and "progressive" mean accepting and forward-thinking.
True conservatives want the government out of this issue for exactly the same reason they want the government out of marriage- because they know it's not their place.
Liberals are all for "progress" and "open-mindedness", but they know that the only way to get there is by making sure that everyone is of the SAME "open" mind and "progressing" to the same goal.
The vapers-rights movement will realize that this talk of bipartisanship is really just mischaracterization and double-speak..eventually.
I predict it will be a month or two after both of their political hopes fall flat on their ..., and they realize that the FDA was allowed to do exactly as it said it would.
Watching the industry's reaction to this is like watching a couple 2nd-graders plot about how they're going to win the monkey bars back from the 6th-grade kids at recess.
I hate to be the constant voice of pessimism, but, after 20 years of fighting nanny-statism on the firearms front, I've spent my entire adult life watching the tides of political-populism. When i said earlier that this industry was too young and naive to win this battle, I was referencing exactly this sort of thing.
People on the vaping fight still think that you win a battle with 'right' alone.
It doesn't matter that the conservative brand has undergone a hostile takeover to demonize them as homo/zeno/nuevo-phobic, the general public still thinks that words like "liberal" and "progressive" mean accepting and forward-thinking.
True conservatives want the government out of this issue for exactly the same reason they want the government out of marriage- because they know it's not their place.
Liberals are all for "progress" and "open-mindedness", but they know that the only way to get there is by making sure that everyone is of the SAME "open" mind and "progressing" to the same goal.
The vapers-rights movement will realize that this talk of bipartisanship is really just mischaracterization and double-speak..eventually.
I predict it will be a month or two after both of their political hopes fall flat on their ..., and they realize that the FDA was allowed to do exactly as it said it would.
Watching the industry's reaction to this is like watching a couple 2nd-graders plot about how they're going to win the monkey bars back from the 6th-grade kids at recess.
You're right, Democrats not needed to pass it, in the House. I forgot that. OTOH, it would make it easier to break through the Democratic wall in the Senate, if it gets a lot of votes in the House.
We need Democratic support.
Again, the Republicans control the Senate - a straight up party vote would win in the Senate. What wouldn't win there, is overriding a presidential veto.
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