Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[coldgin96]

We vape very differently. I'd enjoy seeing all that fog, but not the kind of vaping that would produce it.

Oh, I'm a tootle puffer. I use a P3 with a Kabuki. I just lung hit the out of it!

 

[coldgin96]

You might enjoy Fruit Breeze from Vapor4Life. It is rather nicely balanced as a mild fruit blend.

Hmm. I bet Jackie would like it. Could always get it for her and sample... IN MY HH357!

 

[MyMagicMist]

Eagle

Swan

 

[coldgin96]

Swan

I was a Constitution Owl. Go figure.

 

[Lessifer]

I just skipped about 10 pages of this thread as I'm in the middle of completing the Call To Action that I received from CAASA and need a quick answer (forgive me if this has been addressed) - are you all filling out the "Survey"??? As I'm filling it out, it is making me nervous that they are going to use this against us (i.e. collecting info that will actually be used for their own means?)

This is a bit late, but that surveyor was vetted by CASAA. I'm not saying you have to do it, but they seemed pretty confident that it would be used to benefit us in some way. At this point, I'm not sure how it could hurt us. The FDA already wants to send us back to closed systems, perhaps getting someone to understand why this works for us would be a good thing.

 

[lauragal]

This is a response I got on FB about one of my posts.
"Vapor products are killing children, especially under 2 years of age."
Just one sentence. I blasted back with 10. LOL. People are such sheep. She is an exsmoker. I kind of expect that from the these types.

I'm sure smoking cigarettes have killed MANY MANY MANY more 2 year olds as a result of houses burning down due to unattended cigarettes. Too many people with too much misinformation.

 

[lauragal]

One child. One death about a year ago. Due to negligence on the adults that are supposed to supervise. Nicotine left on a coffee table within reach of the child and the cap was never found.

This is a bit late, but that surveyor was vetted by CASAA. I'm not saying you have to do it, but they seemed pretty confident that it would be used to benefit us in some way. At this point, I'm not sure how it could hurt us. The FDA already wants to send us back to closed systems, perhaps getting someone to understand why this works for us would be a good thing.

I'll go back to it then - btw - just realized I spelled CASAA wrong oops!

 

[lauragal]

I replied but you may not have seen it. If it is on CASAA page, I think you should do a survey. At this point, if we don't do something, we are sunk.

Will do!

 

[The Ocelot]

Department of Anesthesiology, Mayo Clinic, Rochester, MN; Nicotine Dependence Center, Mayo Clinic, Rochester, MN - First published online: January 31, 2016

Feasibility of Electronic Nicotine Delivery Systems in Surgical Patients

Conclusion: "ENDS use is feasible in adult smokers scheduled for elective surgery and is associated with a reduction in perioperative cigarette consumption. These results support further exploration of ENDS as a means to help surgical patients reduce or eliminate their cigarette consumption around the time of surgery."

 

[mcol]

You might enjoy Fruit Breeze from Vapor4Life. It is rather nicely balanced as a mild fruit blend.

So weird but V4L makes some awesome juice in my book. I guess cuz most other
places over flavor everything and I end up mixing it down. Besides vaping unflavored,
I pretty much love everything vaped from V4L and can't say that about all the other
places I've ordered from. Just thought I'd throw that in to the mix.

 

[The Ocelot]

I'm sure smoking cigarettes have killed MANY MANY MANY more 2 year olds as a result of houses burning down due to unattended cigarettes. Too many people with too much misinformation.

Don't forget about children playing with matches and lighters.

 

[Train2]

Nice find!
Also note these findings:

At 30-day follow-up, 34 (51%) who had used ENDS planned to continue using them. Average cigarette consumption decreased from 15.6 per person/d to 7.6 over the study period (P < .001). At 30 days, 11/67 (17%) reported abstinence from cigarettes

Keep in mind - these were NOT PEOPLE TRYING TO QUIT SMOKING. These were people who happened to need surgery. And yet 51% of them kept using ecigs, and as a group, they cut their cigarette usage by MORE than half, and 17% quit smoking altogether.

Just like this, it's probably the MOST EFFECTIVE cessation approach in history: IMAGINE if they were motivated quitters?

Department of Anesthesiology, Mayo Clinic, Rochester, MN; Nicotine Dependence Center, Mayo Clinic, Rochester, MN - First published online: January 31, 2016

Feasibility of Electronic Nicotine Delivery Systems in Surgical Patients

Conclusion: "ENDS use is feasible in adult smokers scheduled for elective surgery and is associated with a reduction in perioperative cigarette consumption. These results support further exploration of ENDS as a means to help surgical patients reduce or eliminate their cigarette consumption around the time of surgery."

 

[Train2]

Other transport?
Not sure: 3-wheelers? Scooters? Whatever they are, "these are products that are killing people".
Not even gonna THINK about tubs and pools. Use-a-pool/go-to-jail.
The top row is age groups...think of the children.

 

[crxess]

Back to the crisis of the moment.

Good News:
The Cole-Bishop amendment has passed the House Committee.

Bad News:

The 2017 spending and budget bills may not be voted by the full House and Senate until the end of the year, so uncertainty in the market will continue to linger.

House Committee Votes to Save the Vaping Industry - The American Vaping Association

Worse News:
Unless one of the Law Suits Presently/soon to be Filed can force a Court Ordered injunction against the FDA to Cease and Desist until Further Court review, Many Vaping related business may still be forced to close their doors.

Likely First strike Targets will include American E-liquid manufacturers and Self Branded Store E-liquid producers.
I would not put it past the FDA to attempt to have Customs seize all Import E-liquids.(low-medium-strong)



I have yet to see any Check list for Small business to assist with compliance for immediate regulatory enactment come day 91.

 

[The Ocelot]

Nice find!
Also note these findings:

At 30-day follow-up, 34 (51%) who had used ENDS planned to continue using them. Average cigarette consumption decreased from 15.6 per person/d to 7.6 over the study period (P < .001). At 30 days, 11/67 (17%) reported abstinence from cigarettes

Keep in mind - these were NOT PEOPLE TRYING TO QUIT SMOKING. These were people who happened to need surgery. And yet 51% of them kept using ecigs, and as a group, they cut their cigarette usage by MORE than half, and 17% quit smoking altogether.

Just like this, it's probably the MOST EFFECTIVE cessation approach in history: IMAGINE if they were motivated quitters?

I found the link in this article: FDA Calls Non-Tobacco Vape 'Tobacco Product,' Pushes People to Smoke

 

[Coldrake]

White Cloud is hosting two new free webinars on the 24th and 26th. The first is with Cynthia Cabrera of SFATA, and the second with Dimitris Agrafiotis, (The Vaping Greek).

You can register here.
Cynthia Cabrera, May 24th,
Welcome! You are invited to join a webinar: FDA Regulations: A Discussion with Cynthia Cabrera. After registering, you will receive a confirmation email about joining the event.

Dimitris Agrafiotis, May 26
Welcome! You are invited to join a webinar: E-Cigs DeMISTified: What FDA Regulations Mean for You. After registering, you will receive a confirmation email about joining the event.

Should be interesting and informative.

 

[The Ocelot]

Swan

Wow! I think you're the only one so far.

 

[The Ocelot]

Never mind.

 

[Wow1420]

iSideWith.com

Nice, thanks for sharing that.

 

[Wow1420]

I Got 'Owl' - What Bird Are You?

Libertarian Swan here.