Kind of hard to Do anything any Sooner when there is nothing OFFICIAL to scrutinize It's like saying - Why are we just now Filing Law suits.........against what (earlier)
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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Kind of hard to Do anything any Sooner when there is nothing OFFICIAL to scrutinize It's like saying - Why are we just now Filing Law suits.........against what (earlier)
Kind of hard to Do anything any Sooner when there is nothing OFFICIAL to scrutinize It's like saying - Why are we just now Filing Law suits.........against what (earlier)
I don't think he was commenting on Doing Something Sooner. In fact, I know he Wasn't.
He was Commenting more on what he considers to be Regulatory Overreach by the FDA.
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Nothing negative from me. Wave your pom poms around all you want. Spend your energy where you please.
Obviously it was a oversight on the part of the oversight committee to have not seen this coming.
If you've got more, please don't stop.
Some of the stuff just boggles my mind, particularly the part I left above. I'm seriously tempted to start the "OMG juice Company". I'm thinking August 15th would be a good day to open for business. It should be a brand-new company that's never been in the business of supplying any tobacco or nicotine product. The plan would be to market a few nic-free juices; just PG, VG, and flavors are NOT made from tobacco. It doesn't matter if a whole lot of people buy it, the point is not to make money, but rather to get shut down by the FDA in order to achieve standing in the courts and get a declaratory judgement that the products offered are NOT tobacco products, and that the FDA can't force one to put statements on product labels that are patently false.
I just sent this to Avalon Television
I would like to see John Oliver do a program on the recently released FDA deeming regulations on tobacco products. “Deeming” as in under the guise of protecting public health (Save the Children!) they can deem anything they like to be a tobacco product, even if it doesn’t contain tobacco. It’s like deeming a glass an alcohol product because there is wine in it.
Four years ago I quit a 40-year smoking habit by vaping. I use a small battery powered personal vaporizer and tank to heat a propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin based liquid, mixed with small amounts of nicotine and food grade flavoring into a vapor and inhale it. Tobacco is not involved. Nicotine is not tobacco.
Nicotine is to tobacco like sugar is to several species of tall perennial true grasses of the genus Saccharum, tribe Andropogoneae, native to the warm temperate to tropical regions of South Asia and Melanesia. Or a Naturalamb condom is to a sheep.
The vaping device I use doesn’t look like a cigarette. It looks like a cross between a flashlight and a marital aid. Sadly, the US company that makes my device will have to go out of business since they can’t afford the estimated $1,000,000.00 it would cost to prove, amongst other things, that their battery powered flashlight/marital aid doesn’t endanger public health and will not entice non-battery powered flashlight/marital aid users to use one.
(Insert emoji of middle-aged woman slamming her head on a desk.)
An estimated $1,000,000.00 to prove that a non-smoker won’t use a device that helps people stop smoking? They also have to prove that a non-smoker, who uses a device that helps people stop smoking, won’t use it and then go on to start smoking cigarettes. It’s in the regs. (Links provided on request.)
The FDA has put a lot of effort into this surreal venture. The regulations grandfather in products on the market before 2007, which leaves traditional tobacco cigarettes untouched. The only companies with enough funds to file applications for new products have no reason to. When the alternatives are regulated out of existence they hope people will go back to smoking. Win-Cough-Win.
I think Mr. Oliver can have fun with this topic and hope he chooses to. It’s begging for satire, especially considering the elephant in their 499-page document. For some reason the FDA decided to call vaping devices Electronic Nicotine Delivery Systems (ENDS), when everyone knows they are Personal Electronic Nicotine Inhalation Systems.
ETA: Bolded for @crxess
I would like to see John Oliver do a program on the recently released FDA deeming regulations on tobacco products. “Deeming” as in under the guise of protecting public health (Save the Children!) they can deem anything they like to be a tobacco product, even if it doesn’t contain tobacco. It’s like deeming a glass an alcohol product because there is wine in it.
Four years ago I quit a 40-year smoking habit by vaping. I use a small battery powered personal vaporizer and tank to heat a propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin based liquid, mixed with small amounts of nicotine and food grade flavoring into a vapor and inhale it. Tobacco is not involved. Nicotine is not tobacco.
Nicotine is to tobacco like sugar is to several species of tall perennial true grasses of the genus Saccharum, tribe Andropogoneae, native to the warm temperate to tropical regions of South Asia and Melanesia. Or a Naturalamb condom is to a sheep.
The vaping device I use doesn’t look like a cigarette. It looks like a cross between a flashlight and a marital aid. Sadly, the US company that makes my device will have to go out of business since they can’t afford the estimated $1,000,000.00 it would cost to prove, amongst other things, that their battery powered flashlight/marital aid doesn’t endanger public health and will not entice non-battery powered flashlight/marital aid users to use one.
(Insert emoji of middle-aged woman slamming her head on a desk.)
An estimated $1,000,000.00 to prove that a non-smoker won’t use a device that helps people stop smoking? They also have to prove that a non-smoker, who uses a device that helps people stop smoking, won’t use it and then go on to start smoking cigarettes. It’s in the regs. (Links provided on request.)
The FDA has put a lot of effort into this surreal venture. The regulations grandfather in products on the market before 2007, which leaves traditional tobacco cigarettes untouched. The only companies with enough funds to file applications for new products have no reason to. When the alternatives are regulated out of existence they hope people will go back to smoking. Win-Cough-Win.
I think Mr. Oliver can have fun with this topic and hope he chooses to. It’s begging for satire, especially considering the elephant in their 499-page document. For some reason the FDA decided to call vaping devices Electronic Nicotine Delivery Systems (ENDS), when everyone knows they are Personal Electronic Nicotine Inhalation Systems.
ETA: Bolded for @crxess
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Thank you Sooooooooooooo............Much and so much more Eloquent
Now we need about a Thousand more people to show them there is an interest
*Note - You did Not Bold the First letters of the Mod description
I hear you. It Kinda Boggles the Mind.
BTW - Maybe you could call your First 0mg e-Liquid "Rose Parks"?
Or Maybe "No. 2857" if you think "Rose Parks" isn't Subtle enough.
Since you won't be in it for the money, it might be fun to not indicate anywhere on your website what the intended use for the juice is. Perhaps just random pictures.
OMG! Juice! In mocha, caramel and key lime pie!
Thank you Sooooooooooooo............Much and so much more Eloquent
*Note - You did Not Bold the First letters of the Mod description
I wish I could have. I just felt lucky the form didn't cut me off at 100 characters.
ETA: I just sent a copy to his management company as well. Since it was an email, I was able to Bold appropriately.
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@Antwoord
If you join CASAA you would be getting email alerts with actions you can take...
Become a CASAA Member
It only takes a minute to join and it doesn't cost anything.
If you go to their website they currently have this on the main page...
5 Things You Can Do Right Now To Save Vaping!
That will help make up for having missed the previous alerts.
Thank you DC2. The only reason I never joined was because I didn't feel like I had much to offer, but now I can see the benefits of membership differently. Signed up and petitioned!
@Antwoord
If you join CASAA you would be getting email alerts with actions you can take...
Become a CASAA Member
It only takes a minute to join and it doesn't cost anything.
If you go to their website they currently have this on the main page...
5 Things You Can Do Right Now To Save Vaping!
That will help make up for having missed the previous alerts.
Years ago I signed every petition, and may have been a CASAA member. I remember when a guy named webby created the website, and it was a very nice looking website. I also listened to the radio shows, and podcasts. I thought fighting the deeming regulations a couple years ago was really the big one, and was really disheartened when something like 6k people had participated. A lot has happened since then. It's just mind boggling to me how there doesn't seem to be as much going on now.
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Funny an old guy would have Teen toys like that............
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