Hope is plentiful, so why not give it?
It doesnt mean ill not out every effort from my level in all other places needed.
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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Hope is plentiful, so why not give it?
It doesnt mean ill not out every effort from my level in all other places needed.
been on life support for some time now:
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Cole Bishop: Not putting my money on this one. Still involves 535 politicians and 1 lame duck executive. (I've fallen for this too many times.). And there's still a big chance it will be shelved until the next inept, knuckle-dragging executive lumbers his/her way into the oval office.
lawsuits: Our best (and only?) hope I fear.
Cole-Bishop amendment to the FY2017 Agricultural Appr. bill is still alive. CASAA is meeting with Rep. Cole in June. Stay tuned--there will be a new CTA issued soon.
Del. Larry Faircloth (R-WV) is on our side--see my post above and Sign the Petition
Senator Ron Johnson wrote a rather strong letter to Califf--Don't forget to thank him and show your support.
Oh ye of little faith! Join the opposition, fight back, don't let them do this to us! Support advocacy groups, donate money, time, educate fellow vapers.
Law suits are coming--two have already been filed.
Sheesh.
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And I LIKE it.When there are so many laws on the books that no man knows at any time if he is in violation of a particular law, there is in fact, no law, just lawlessness.
HaHa, I just made that up
I saw one person-of-knowledge once state that every single American violates at least three laws every day of our lives. Not all the SAME three, mind you, but instead the point is that it's pretty much impossible not to.
I do not know if there's any truth to this, nor do I care to analyze it. But I believe that it plays to your point too, @ENAUD.
I hadn't thought of this until I read that article from Ecita but it would be easy for Big T to buy out small manufacturers and get a PMTA for some mods since they have the money. They would effectively control everything then, wouldn't they?
I think their return would be far greater, hundreds of dollars for a mod, etc and over many years. They have the advertising dollars so if people couldn't get it at vape shops, many would probably buy from them (new folks anyway). Same way they made many different brands of cigs.
Possibly, but my instinct tells me that they'll stick to the Blu/Vuse options they've already invested in. I'd love to see more stuff available, but I'm not certain that's the ultimate goal. Maybe it's the feeling of the FDA's boot-heel pressing down on my esophagus that's making me so cynical - I'm not sure.
I still honestly believe that common sense will prevail, in the longest run. It might not come without pain, but I truly do believe that we'll land somewhere between the Hell of the current proposed regs, and the freedom we've lived for these-so-many/few years.
At least I hope so.
I agree. I think we'll end up with age restrictions, packaging requirements, etc and, of course, taxes.
And it will be considered a sin tax so every time a politician wants to fund anything they tax the vape products.
And they'll tax it at a level so we'll be paying what we were spending on cigarettes. They know what we are willing to pay for our habit. It's amazing how stupid politicians are about business until it affects their cash registerGawd, I despise them so...
I was thinking more along the lines of:Since you won't be in it for the money, it might be fun to not indicate anywhere on your website what the intended use for the juice is. Perhaps just random pictures.
OMG! Juice! In mocha, caramel and key lime pie!
OMG-Juice!
No Nicotine!
Not made from tobacco!
Not a tobacco product!
If you want the bull to charge, you have to wave the red flag around some.
At least taxing for vaping will be a bit harder than for cigarettes given the ability to DIY a juice, although they can still devastate current juice providers. Even that will become a tougher sell as states realize they will only close down small businesses within their jurisdiction, hardly a desirable outcome. They can't even start placing a levy on PG and VG, which can be used for so many other products (as long as it's not labelled for vaping).
I would much rather have the fight in the future boil down to taxes over available products than have to fight for products to even remain available. Besides, as the usual excuse for high taxes on cigarettes revolves around harm reduction by decreasing use (even though they love using that money for other purposes) it would be possible to challenge if they do not place the same taxes on other nicotine replacement systems like gum or patches. If they taxed those like a tobacco product, it would completely undermine any attempt to justify the tax as for the benefit to public health, which is the usual excuse, and not just a money grab.
Actually, I've been here since it started. The problem was, I had other obligations and and couldn't keep up with it. I generally don't post in threads unless I'm current (meaning I've read the whole thing), and despite best intentions, I was always hundreds of messages behind. Thankfully, I finally got caught up yesterday.
Thank you. The biggest drawback is that in order to implement it, I expect I'd have to sign up as a "vendor" on ECF.Brilliant idea, BTW.
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