Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Sugar_and_Spice]

I'm telling ya... That thing about the Photo ID sure gives Me an Uneasy Feeling.

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/TobaccoProducts/Labeling/ProductsIngredientsComponents/UCM499168.pdf

Seriously? Don't they do that now anyway?

Wish someone would card me.....its been a long time. LOL

 

[zoiDman]

Seriously? Don't they do that now anyway?

Wish someone would card me.....its been a long time. LOL

Internet Sales.

Not Sure how Comfortable I would be to have to give a Copy of my DL to a Web Retailer just so I could by a Coil Head for a tank.

 

[Rossum]

[...]
If the tobacco product manufacturer submits a self-certification statement to FDA that the newly-regulated tobacco product does not contain nicotine (and that the manufacturer has data to support this assertion), then an alternate statement must be used on product packages and advertisements:

“This product is made from tobacco.”

Right, utter madness. How can a nicotine-free mixture of PG, VG, and food flavorings possible be "Made from tobacco"?

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Internet Sales.

Not Sure how Comfortable I would be to have to give a Copy of my DL to a Web Retailer just so I could by a Coil Head for a Tank.

I thought it said check the id's to see if you were of age before selling product, not take a copy to keep for their files.

 

[The Ocelot]

Seriously? Don't they do that now anyway?

Wish someone would card me.....its been a long time. LOL

BTW, you will have to get a new avatar. This is an adults only forum and flying ponies attract children.

 

[crxess]

So, my take on the Warnings and effect on Ruling:

Product packages and ads of covered tobacco products that do not contain nicotine may bear an alternative warning statement:

• “This product is made from tobacco.”
• Manufacturers must submit to FDA a self-certification
• For more information visit FDA.gov and search for “deeming final rule”

We get this Struck down in Court, we then protect ALL incomplete Vapor products from FDA Regulation and have a NON-TOBACCO/NON-Drug Product on the Market for safer consumer use.(see black market nicotine dealer for upgrade)

Sounds Like it Frees up the FDA from Overwhelming Mountains of Paperwork/Sample Storage/etc. allowing them to concentrate on Fear Mongering and establishes a Canada style Vapor solution.

 

[zoiDman]

Right, utter madness. How can a nicotine-free mixture of PG, VG, and food flavorings possible be "Made from tobacco"?

I dunno?

To give the Governmental Affairs Oversight Committee something to Do?

 

[Myrany]

Right, utter madness. How can a nicotine-free mixture of PG, VG, and food flavorings possible be "Made from tobacco"?

Actually it might be grounds to go to court.

Your Honor this requirement by the FDA requires me to LIE to my customers thereby setting me up to be sued by them for false advertising.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Right, utter madness. How can a nicotine-free mixture of PG, VG, and food flavorings possible be "Made from tobacco"?

I think in the FDA's zeal to get a handle on vape products, they are thinking no one would notice how totally insane they sound. Surely they can't be that dense or desperate. Can they? I just cannot fathom how this will hold up in court.....

 

[zoiDman]

I thought it said check the id's to see if you were of age before selling product, not take a copy to keep for their files.

How do you then, as an Internet Seller, Check my Photo ID before you take my Money?

Note: Keyword. Before

 

[Spazmelda]

Actually it might be grounds to go to court.

Your Honor this requirement by the FDA requires me to LIE to my customers thereby setting me up to be sued by them for false advertising.

I think one of the court cases um... the place down in Florida has that in their lawsuit write-up. We will see how that goes, eventually.

 

[Rossum]

I just cannot fathom how this will hold up in court.....

Me either, hence my proposal for the "OMG Juice" company a few pages back.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

BTW, you will have to get a new avatar. This is an adults only forum and flying ponies attract children.

Your request will be given the utmost attention.....
wait....there are no children here....at least physically

 

[crxess]

Seriously? Don't they do that now anyway?

Wish someone would card me.....its been a long time. LOL

I actually felt bad when I realized no one was asking for I.D. anymore...........Then Home Land came along................

 

[skoony]

Probably but people unfamiliar with write offs put to much emphasis on 'write offs' ( a common refrain in anti-business circles) ... as if they are total write offs, which they are not. I'm sure the tobacco companies would welcome the Cole/Bishop amendment, so they don't have to go through all of that.

Either way it goes BT is not going to lose any sleep over it. Their butts are covered either way.
Big government how ever knows on which side it bread is buttered. Vaping is not a long term
viable market for taxation.

in that it establishes more flexibility in Product they ultimately intend to control.
As stated - Even with a change in DATE, most prominent in the amendment, the Market goes into a Freeze.

One cannot control a product that cannot addict life time non-tobacco users.
The market will always need new smokers to feed into the vaping market to
make it a long term viable solution for taxation purposes. For this reason alone
vaping as it is today has to be eliminated.

Regards
Mike

 

[ENAUD]

I'm telling ya... That thing about the Photo ID sure gives Me an Uneasy Feeling.

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/TobaccoProducts/Labeling/ProductsIngredientsComponents/UCM499168.pdf

8/9/16 is bound to be a pretty interesting day...

 

[Rossum]

How do you then, as an Internet Seller, Check my Photo ID before you take my Money?

Note: Keyword. Before

Mail order ammo dealers in certain states (like the one you live in!) already do this kind thing regularly.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

How do you then, as an Internet Seller, Check my Photo ID before you take my Money?

Note: Keyword. Before

oops my bad, I read to quickly. I dunno, maybe some kind of system like age verifying can be done like they do some cc today, where the vendor never sees the actual card number.

The more I think about that, the yuk-ier I feel....goodby liberties.

Hello black markets.

 

[zoiDman]

8/9/16 is bound to be a pretty interesting day...

This Might be the Thread Winning Post!

 

[zoiDman]

Mail order ammo dealers in certain states (like the one you live in!) already do this kind thing regularly.

Yep... I have Seen That.