In my experience not very different. I've had 100% drip on me too.
It's a cleaner stimulant than caffeine.
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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It's a cleaner stimulant than caffeine.
Tell that to my ex father in law.
Corrupt. Every last one of them..most lawyers too.
I'm trying not to overdo it. The whole judiciary is corrupt.
I believe they are now.
It's ridiculous, but it also isn't. Most didn't bat an eye when these regs were put in place for cigarettes years ago. RYO tubes and filters are considered components, and if sold directly to consumers, finished tobacco products and have been for years.
I'm not saying we should be fighting the FSPTCA as a whole, the cigarette companies made it okay, due to the grandfather clause. However, the FSPTCA is anathema to a product that thrives on innovation, as the rules were meant to suppress development.
What are they smoking ( vaping ) over at Vapershark !? Running ads for " Franchise Opportunities " here on ECF ? Who in their right mind would pay a franchising fee to Vaporshark now !?
The way this guy is explaining the new rules makes me worry..Perhaps it's time to buy some more flavors..sooner than I thought.
Yea, I was still smoking when BT got hit.
I've bought bulk tobacco and ripped it..major pain..but all my pipes are over 30 years old..didn't know pipes were tobacco products now
Yea right. I see a lot of vendors running low on stock..even FT.
Folks are getting ready to bail.
This is one aspect thaat i don't see discussed much. I posted this in another thread a few days ago, but i will post it again here :
I just found out that MOV ( Mountain Oak Vapors ) is in the process of reformulating a few of their liquids. As you all know, starting Aug 8, vendors can not legally introduce new liquids into the market or change the formula of what they already have. By February 2017 ( August 2017 for small manufacturers ) they must submit to the fda the list of ingredients in their liquids. Since the ingredients in the TPA blueberry for example is proprietary, the fda has devised a system where the flavor houses can submit their ingredient lists ( i.e. formula ) confidentially into a flavor masterfile, so that they won't have to divulge the formulas to the vendors using them. If a flavor house does not want to do that, the vendor can no longer use that flavor. At that point it's too late for a vendor to reformulate the liquids using those flavors. So MOV will only be using flavors from flavor houses that have committed to give the fda their ingredient listing, and one of their providers explicitly told them they do not want to do that, and will be exiting the vape market. No, i don't know which one
Long story short, a lot of the vendors popular in this thread are likely faced with the same dilemma, unless they have no plans to continue doing business past Feb 2017.
The pipes are part of this deeming, I believe, but I haven't looked into that part of it. Hookah pipes definitely are, but I haven't payed attention to whether or not there is an uproar from the pipe manufacturers. I have to imagine that there are plenty that were on sale before 2007, but proving that might be difficult. Also, is a hand blown glass pipe, or a carved wood pipe made today substantially equivalent to one made yesterday? This IS the FDA we're talking about.
My youngest Son(adult) has a minimum of 4 Energy drinks a day @ a couple of bucks per
Yup. So, everyone who keeps saying "we have two years" well, no, we don't. I heard in one of the interviews that Flavourart(sp?) has committed to submitting masterfiles. I haven't heard about any other flavor companies.This is one aspect thaat i don't see discussed much. I posted this in another thread a few days ago, but i will post it again here :
I just found out that MOV ( Mountain Oak Vapors ) is in the process of reformulating a few of their liquids. As you all know, starting Aug 8, vendors can not legally introduce new liquids into the market or change the formula of what they already have. By February 2017 ( August 2017 for small manufacturers ) they must submit to the fda the list of ingredients in their liquids. Since the ingredients in the TPA blueberry for example is proprietary, the fda has devised a system where the flavor houses can submit their ingredient lists ( i.e. formula ) confidentially into a flavor masterfile, so that they won't have to divulge the formulas to the vendors using them. If a flavor house does not want to do that, the vendor can no longer use that flavor. At that point it's too late for a vendor to reformulate the liquids using those flavors. So MOV will only be using flavors from flavor houses that have committed to give the fda their ingredient listing, and one of their providers explicitly told them they do not want to do that, and will be exiting the vape market. No, i don't know which one
Long story short, a lot of the vendors popular in this thread are likely faced with the same dilemma, unless they have no plans to continue doing business past Feb 2017.
My opinion mirrors what the interviewer just said;
The consensus is that this is total overreach and makes no sense at all.
Flavourart has a huge advantage over other flavor houses. They started their toxicity testing years ago, and have completed the testing on most of their flavors.
my now 14 year old got me drinking Monster...I buy it by the case.My youngest Son(adult) has a minimum of 4 Energy drinks a day @ a couple of bucks per
I have arguments with him 'cause I don't want him drinking the stuff..Taurine is good for what ails you.
On the contrary. A preliminary injunction would virtually guarantee a win for the plaintiff(s) at the district court level. But I can't tell if you're trying to be sarcastic. If so, please say so.I'd like to think I can easily hold my own in that kind of an exchange.
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Liquids probably, hardware, i don't see it. The Chinese will not stop producing mods and tanks, and will likely come out with a bunch of new stuff right before Aug 2016. At that time, i see some of the old stuff coming down in price.
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