Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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The smirking facial expressions at the release were a giveaway, no? They have a grudge, and don't care how many lives it will take to satisfy it.
Exactly!
When I started I'd take the label off bottles of juice and glue them in back of a giant piece of cardboard to keep track of the flavors and vendors I'd tried.
Eventually ran out of space on the posterboard..tried many...then
only because I used to have a chemistry set as a kid...and because I'm a cheapskate
I bought some nicotine, VG, and a few flavors.
NOTHING compares with the juice I make.
I know precisely what's in it, when it was made,
and I can custom make it to my taste.
Do not be afraid, it is easy. I made a magnetic stirrer out of an old computer fan and a hard drive magnet (have 4 of those now). bought some erlenmyer flasks and some
hypodermics with blunt nose needles, and off and running.
Wear gloves if you're clumsy.
What I've come to realize is, they've written off all tobacco users. When they talk about public health, they mean non-smokers. Smokers, vapers, smokeless users, cigar smokers, we've all chosen to throw away our health in their eyes.
I hope you're right - tried it about 3 1/2 years ago and it was a major fail - couldn't make anything I liked. Now I have to scramble to find/buy flavoring that I THINK I will like but not really knowing right away. I think there's a big learning curve to get it right
I tried good rated recipes that matched the flavor profiles I liked to start with. It makes it easier that way at least it did for me. There are great diy threads on here that are really informative and great people who will help if you have questions as you go along. I'm making some of my own now, but it really helped with some tried and true at the start of my diy journey.
Right now, it's all about controlling people's lives. There may be a time when taxes are added (some states have already) and I expect it, perhaps at the federal level. But right now it's about control, and shutting down much or all of the industry. That actually loses them money in income and business taxes, and will cost them in unemployment. Sure, they may stop the bleeding on cigarette taxes, but many vapers won't go back. It will take a while for teens to start smoking to bring the adult smoking population up from currently 15% to where it was just 6 years ago - at a level 22-23%.
Que pasa, Laura..I hope you're right - tried it about 3 1/2 years ago and it was a major fail - couldn't make anything I liked. Now I have to scramble to find/buy flavoring that I THINK I will like but not really knowing right away. I think there's a big learning curve to get it right
Here get this:
eJuice Me Up - Best eJuice Calculator
scroll toward the bottom for the ejuicemeup link.
Have a crock pot?
When you get set
message me and I'll send you a link where you'll find recipes
to clone all your favorite juices.
Regards,
Hazy
Smokers are a dying breed, eventually the tobacco money game was going to hit a wall anyways, vaping was far too disruptive in way too short a time frame to not be met with opposition. The overtly oppressive nature of the deeming is telling as to how big an impact vaping has had on the tobacco money scheme.
BTW, ejuiceme up comes with a fairly large database
of pre formulated flavors, all you have to do is change the quantity
and the strength nicotine juice you want to make
eJuice Me Up - Best eJuice Calculator
of pre formulated flavors, all you have to do is change the quantity
and the strength nicotine juice you want to make
eJuice Me Up - Best eJuice Calculator
MSA payments to the states have been around $6-7+ Billion every year since 2006 ($5.8 Billion). $6.0 billion in 2015 even though the adult smoking population has gone down. (but it's for each cig sold foreign or domestic). Smokers aren't a 'dying breed' and won't be if vaping is done away with. Kids will go back to taking up smoking rather than vaping and will be part of that 22-23% of the population in about 5 years or so. So MSA payments will remain stable (vs. 'hitting a wall), as well as the luxury and excise taxes or whatever it is that's added to tobacco over other products.
Thinking about all of this stuff tonight, I have come to realize that I am a little bit excited by this battle in a good way. I still want to have faith in our system on some level, and things feel pretty dicey right now, but I want to believe that truth will win out in the end. Short term things are looking pretty bad, but we do have Great Britain taking an alternate approach, at least for now. America has had a couple of failed prohibitions and one of them is likely nearing its end. The other ( alcohol) was a total failure, but a lot of that was because of organized crime and bullets flying on the streets and the general public's disdain and general flippant disregard for it. Smokers and ex smokers who vape are a smaller subset of the population though, and we have been thrown under the bus by the authoritarians and by the general public. I think the most damning thing about the deeming is that it relegates vaping into the same realm as smoking. That feels like a kick in the groin to me. That is something that definitely needs to be fought with every ounce of fight that we have. Vaping is NOT smoking.
First, I apologize if my post seemed aimed at you. I was targeting the OMB Media coverage.............which actually happened well in advance of returning the Regs to the FDA for review and registering. Just wanted all to know - Smoke and mirrors.
It may, or may not surprise you as to the Vast reach of Revenue. We are all aware of Federal/BT with the Settlement and sales as well as States collection absurd per pack Taxes on cigarettes(to curtail smoking - sure) and of course BP Losses
But there are hundreds of millions(maybe a few Billion) of additional Dollars annually spread across hundreds of thousands of organizations/ Universities / independent business'.
2013-2018 $273 Million in Research(univ./colleges)
http://www.fda.gov/TobaccoProducts/PublicHealthScienceResearch/ucm369005.htm
Millions(billions?) in Cancer research and Oncology - both which should be greatly reduced through elimination of combustible tobacco.
Charitable Organizations rake in hundreds of millions annually Due to Tobacco and there are a Lot of large organizations equaling close to $1 billion.
Every ANTI Smoking activist Organization makes a living directly from Tobacco Sales. - No Tobacco, no job.
Family Dr.'s reduced income from lower visits due to chronic issues from second hand smoke.
Reduced referrals, loss of back payment on prescription medications.
Health insurance Policy overcharges(never spent a Tobacco related DIME myself)
Life insurance overcharges
10's of thousands less chest xrays.
Interior paint sales drops, Curtain sales, Bic Lighter and Ashtray sales, Etc.
The list is almost endless with financial loss from reduced to the end of Tobacco sales.
When you sit and start thinking about everything and everyone BT touches, it gets scary
What is saddest of all is so many promoting the End of Tobacco use have come to rely so heavily on its existence.
12 Billion dollars last I checked..my ex worked in cancer research.
Feb, 8 2017 for submission - FDA Calendar
Ingredient Listing
Large Scale manufacturers must submit Full listing of All ingredients by quantity, Brand and sub brand.
Slamm Scale Manufacturers - Aug. 8, 2017
It is only logical this would be the actual Date PMTA Filing would be required.
Filing BY THESE DATES will allow product to remain on the market until AT LEAST Feb. 8, 2018/Aug. 8. 2018
So, while any manufacturer wanting to stay in the Market Must do a General inventory submission be e-liquid SKU(flavor/nic%/Bottle size) the PMTA can go LAST MINUTE.
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