Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Rossum]

I think power is more of a drug than greed, ok let's regulate that power drug!

In theory, it is regulated. But the ruling class consistently ignores the plain language those regulations.

 

[retired1]

This is the third time I've had to post in this thread regarding this. No more chances.

 

[DaveP]

I was standing on the 9th fairway just after locating my ball. My buddy was behind me and he took a shot not realizing I was standing 100 yards in front of him staring off to the side. He hit a screaming line drive that leveled out at 5'7"...exactly the same height as my eye balls. The Titleist went no more than 1" in front of my face at 10,000 MPH. My eyes were open, but I didn't see anything. The wind was blowing but I couldn't feel it. Lawn mowers were cutting grass but I couldn't hear it. I had a cigarette in my mouth but couldn't taste it. The grass was freshly cut but I couldn't smell it. I was frozen in place for about 20 seconds unable to be human for I couldn't grasp what had just happened and how close I came to (you know). I got the same feeling when reading that post.

Our government would solve that problem by banning Golf and requiring all Americans to wear safety helmets, just in case. You never know when a rock might fall out of the sky, or a Golf ball..

 

[retired1]

Our government would solve that problem by banning Golf and requiring all Americans to wear safety helmets, just in case. You never know when a rock might fall out of the sky, or a Golf ball..

My father had a copy of this posted prominently in his business for years and years.

 

[DaveP]

MSA payments to the states have been around $6-7+ Billion every year since 2006 ($5.8 Billion). $6.0 billion in 2015 even though the adult smoking population has gone down. (but it's for each cig sold foreign or domestic). Smokers aren't a 'dying breed' and won't be if vaping is done away with. Kids will go back to taking up smoking rather than vaping and will be part of that 22-23% of the population in about 5 years or so. So MSA payments will remain stable (vs. 'hitting a wall), as well as the luxury and excise taxes or whatever it is that's added to tobacco over other products.

The Tobacco lobby was actually saved by the MSA. They realized that the money to the states would perpetuate the tobacco industry, at least until the settlement was satisfied.

Now, we have the FDA defending tobacco settlement money by attacking its competitor. As was said in The Tempest, by William Shakespeare, "Politics does make strange bedfellows".

 

[Lessifer]

Anyone seen this?
White House scrapped FDA plan to restrict flavored e-cigarettes | Fox News

IF, this is for real, could it be that the Gubmint is either incredibly finding a modicum of Common Sense?
or,
Simply starting to back-off realizing their pernicious Power & Money Grab Sham/Scam is failing?

Gotta keep up the pressure to get it ALL killed off and eternally impacted back into their Rectums from whence it came.

We owe a debt of enormous gratitude to the RCP for its well-timed, well-stated, well-publicized, and well-proven Declaration of Sense & Truth

Stay alert & vigil,
Stay vocal & active,
Stay committed & resolved.
Lives & Livelihoods are truly at stake.
Life, Liberty, and Pursuits of Happiness are not negotiable nor are they to be infringed.

Aw, don't fall for the bait and switch. Remember, the whitehouse OMB reviewed the regs BEFORE they were released as final. So, whatever they removed they left us with what we have now, which is plenty bad enough to kill the industry. So they took out an immediate flavor ban, they left in the mechanism for a de facto ban of the entire industry, including flavors.

Also, the cynic in me is wagering inside my head that the removal of the flavor ban has a lot more to do with Vuse's new flavors than our heartfelt pleas.

 

[Robino1]

Yeah, I don't believe for a second that anything we've said had anything to do with the removal of flavors.

Remember waaaaay back when Zeller said flavors will probably be addressed after the FDA has ecigs under their deeming? I bet he already knew that the OMB had pulled those out at that time. That was at least a year ago.

Flavors being yanked out of the initial deeming has nothing to do with our voices. It is painfully clear We. Do. Not. Matter. If anything, our voices have told them exactly what to go for in shutting down this industry.

 

[LoriP1702]

Yeah, I don't believe for a second that anything we've said had anything to do with the removal of flavors.

Remember waaaaay back when Zeller said flavors will probably be addressed after the FDA has ecigs under their deeming? I bet he already knew that the OMB had pulled those out at that time. That was at least a year ago.

Flavors being yanked out of the initial deeming has nothing to do with our voices. It is painfully clear We. Do. Not. Matter. If anything, our voices have told them exactly what to go for in shutting down this industry.

...can't "like" that, but I agree 100%.

 

[HBcorpse]

I'm just trying to break up the sometimes tense chatter here.

These regs and subsequent gov't-talk posts can be a little hard on the soul all day.

If you don't like this video, please don't report it.
Just PM me to take it down.
I won't mind.
Honestly.

(It's nothing graphic, but some people are more sensitive to certain words, especially if it's part of the human anatomy.)

Enjoy!

 

[Myrany]

Learning when to change batteries might be the hardest part for you, until you learn to pick up the subtle drop in flavor/performance.

I never was able to pick that up. I gauge when to change the bottle by the juice level in my REO.

 

[wiredlove]

I never was able to pick that up. I gauge when to change the bottle by the juice level in my REO.

When I was using mech mods, I just obsessively changed batteries, just like I obsessively wipe mods down, fill tanks, carry extra parts, fidget with them, polish them and call them 'my precious'

 

[Lessifer]

I never was able to pick that up. I gauge when to change the bottle by the juice level in my REO.

Sometimes it's harder for me than others. The dead give away, for me, is if I start taking longer draws. On a fresh battery I take about a 2 second draw. When the battery is about ready for change that can go up to 4 or 5 seconds. A REO and a small chamber atomizer are pretty tough to beat. Great ventilation, flavor, performance, hot spring, user replaceable parts, service. It's a complete vapocalypse package, if you can swing the price tag.

 

[Bronze]

Bronze, earlier I told the story in another thread of when I was 19
and started off to hitch-hike to Alaska. I made it from Miami to Gainesville, FL where I spent the night at my old roomy's then headed out. I got stuck all night right outside
Athens, Georgia by the side of a two lane blacktop out in the middle of nowhere.
Dressed in my BDU's, no thermals I came close to freezing
the only traffic was going the opposite way..so I crossed the road
and got picked up by
Pastor Roy Gibbs who took me to a bus station and bought a bus ticket to Miami for me.
So I stayed. Can't argue with God...had I not crossed the road
I'd have frozen for sure.

LOL. Why did the hippie cross the road?

You were headed to Alaska but froze in Georgia?

 

[Bronze]

Awww, come on blue eyed pup. People get passionate and drift out of line, but we're adults here. We don't need to shut down a thread because some people don't agree with others. Sure, there may be some who veer way off course, but that's when you tell them to back off/shut up.

Spared me from having to say it. Thank you.

 

[Myrany]

Sometimes it's harder for me than others. The dead give away, for me, is if I start taking longer draws. On a fresh battery I take about a 2 second draw. When the battery is about ready for change that can go up to 4 or 5 seconds. A REO and a small chamber atomizer are pretty tough to beat. Great ventilation, flavor, performance, hot spring, user replaceable parts, service. It's a complete vapocalypse package, if you can swing the price tag.

Thanks to the kind gift of another ECFer I now have a woodville to go with my family of 2 standard Grands. I have been stocking up on spare parts for some time now.

 

[Rossum]

A REO and a small chamber atomizer are pretty tough to beat. Great ventilation, flavor, performance, hot spring, user replaceable parts, service. It's a complete vapocalypse package, if you can swing the price tag.

Don't forget the spare parts; a few hot springs and firing pins.

 

[Steamix]

Yup, I'm in California, where the legal age limit will soon be 21. The law is still unclear as far as shipping, but as Katya found out, there will be vendors who will not be taking the chance of a fine. I am of course well over 21, but that doesn't mean my vendors of choice will be ready to deal with the logistics.

Always gets me - 18 is old enough to join the service, get shot at - possible maimed or killed.
But you need to be 21 for buying cigs ...

Ah well, maybe it's meant to protect the medic from second hand smoke while patching up your sucking chest wound ...

 

[SeniorBoy]

Good morning Girls and Boys

For those that enjoy diving deep into the weeds here is the Deeming Final Rule Redline Changes. Thank you SFATA!

Stay Strong! Fight! Stock Up!

 

[frizzy_tyger]

Always gets me - 18 is old enough to join the service, get shot at - possible maimed or killed.
But you need to be 21 for buying cigs ...

Ah well, maybe it's meant to protect the medic from second hand smoke while patching up your sucking chest wound ...

The California law has an exception for military personnel, they can still purchase at 18, anyone else is 21. So they aren't even protecting the medics.

 

[MyMagicMist]

Don't forget the spare parts; a few hot springs and firing pins.

Hm. Fat Daddy's have those spare parts by chance, you think? Not being snarky here, genuinely asking.