Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Lessifer]

I don't know. There's no combustion and you get your WTAs. Not so much different from snus, if they use highly purified tobacco without tobacco-specific nitrosamines.

I don't think it would replace vaping, but might be helpful for those of us for whom nicotine alone isn't quite enough.

Just musing.

Oh, I didn't mean that the product itself wouldn't be good, though I've heard heat-not-burn tobacco tastes like wet dog. I meant that I'll believe ANY product can receive MRTP status once it actually happens, and that the MRTP application is so strict and nebulous that it actually discourages innovation, meaning it is a detriment to public health.

 

[Lessifer]

I agree, as a betting man i would wager that iQOS is safer than smoking by a great margin, but i think what Less means is that the " strict and nebulous process " itself, doesn't benefit public health, not that iQOS use instead of smoking, doesn't benefit public health. At least that's why i liked his post

Yup, that's what I meant.

I'm not a fan of the tobacco companies, but over the past few years they've lost their "big evil" status with me.

 

[The Ocelot]

Maybe we all need to start writing letters to this guy?
Centers for Disease Control Tom Frieden dismisses helping Americans switch with e-cigs

Dr. Frieden is making a conscious choice to keep Americans uninformed about the benefits of e-cigarettes, and that irrational decision will keep people smoking. Real smoking rates will more than likely level off now that the regulations set by the Food and Drug Administration are about to go into place. Then, once e-cigarettes are classified as "tobacco," tobacco "use" in America will skyrocket by design.

If the phone lines are down in Washington, could someone turn them back on before it's too late? It's that important.

I found his info:
Thomas Frieden

Director, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC),
and Administrator, Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR)

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
E-mail Address:
tomfrieden@cdc.gov
Phone Number:
404-639-7000

In addition to our personal stories, I would remind him of the FDA's decision not to ban tobacco cigarettes. If, at the time, the FDA had thought the available methods for smoking cessation actually worked, why would they be concerned about the healthcare system being overwhelmed?

"Under the FFDCA [Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act], drug and device manufacturers must demonstrate that their products are both safe and effective in order to gain FDA marketing approval. The safety and effectiveness standard poses a difficult challenge for regulating tobacco products, which are manifestly unsafe when used as intended.

"Critics of FDA’s 1996 rule argued that in asserting regulatory authority over tobacco products, the agency would have no choice but to ban them because of their harmful and addictive effects.

"In commenting on the rule, the FDA conceded that tobacco products are “unsafe” as that term is generally understood, but concluded that banning tobacco products was not a realistic option because the health care system would be overwhelmed by more than 40 million nicotine addicts seeking assistance for withdrawal symptoms. Moreover, the agency argued, banning cigarettes would create an enormous black market, which might lead to the use of unregulated and potentially even more harmful products."

I didn't find the report itself all that interesting, but I liked the quote.

FDA Final Rule Restricting the Sale and Distribution of Cigarettes and Smokeless Tobacco (June 24, 2010)
http://www.nacsonline.com/Advocacy/Issues//Tobacco/Documents/CRSReport.pdf

 

[Mazinny]

Yup, that's what I meant.

I'm not a fan of the tobacco companies, but over the past few years they've lost their "big evil" status with me.

I don't really care who came out with the product. If it's safer than smoking and helps some people get off smoking, i'm for it. I think there should be as many as these products in the market as possible. Let the consumers use what's right for them.

 

[crxess]

Maybe we all need to start writing letters to this guy?
Centers for Disease Control Tom Frieden dismisses helping Americans switch with e-cigs

And Spreading it all over Social Media!

Life before Profits
Incredible Arrogance of Public officials!

Story Linked on my FB and shared

 

[Lessifer]

I don't really care who came out with the product. If it's safer than smoking and helps some people get off smoking, i'm for it. I think there should be as many as these products in the market as possible. Let the consumers use what's right for them.

I agree wholeheartedly. I also believe there might be more products, and that they might have been available sooner, if there wasn't such a near impossible standard. In fact, if there were an actual standard instead of the current process.

 

[Kent C]

Then, once e-cigarettes are classified as "tobacco," tobacco "use" in America will skyrocket by design.

Very wise :- )

And no one in at the FDA should disagree now that they've redefined tobacco product. Only thing is, the death toll is going to decrease, so they'll have to deal with that. lol

 

[Katya]

Maybe we all need to start writing letters to this guy?
Centers for Disease Control Tom Frieden dismisses helping Americans switch with e-cigs

This is odd. Who is us.blasting news? What event is it referring to? I can't figure it out. What did Frieden actually say and when? The picture they are using is old--Hamburg is standing right behind him.

 

[Katya]

I've heard heat-not-burn tobacco tastes like wet dog.

Pretty much.

 

[Kent C]

One more article of interest before I bid you all a good night.
Hot Air: Democrats Work With Big Tobacco and Big Pharma to Choke the Vaping Industry

Hot Air: Democrats Work With Big Tobacco and Big Pharma to Choke the Vaping Industry

A reprieve, of sorts, of my earlier comments re: BT and their role - but only one tobacco company - the biggest! lol

"While it (2009 FSPTCA) was opposed at the time by tobacco giants RJ Reynolds and Lorillard, it was publicly supported by Altria, the parent of Philip Morris, America’s largest tobacco company—“to build a constructive working relationship” with the FDA, said an Altria spokesman, Brian May.

"May of Altria did not confirm such secret talks but said, regarding the 2009 legislation, “there was a variety of stakeholders from public health, tobacco control and manufacturers who gave input.”"

@Coldrake @nicnik @zoiDman

 

[Kent C]

Who is us.blasting news?

Blastingnews: 250,000 Writers and 11 Million Readers. What Could Possibly Go Wrong?  

 

[The Ocelot]

This is odd. Who is us.blasting news? What event is it referring to? I can't figure it out. What did Frieden actually say and when? The picture they are using is old--Hamburg is standing right behind him.

It appears that the article is an op-ed piece, regurgitating old news.

What The U.S. Should Learn From The UK's Wisdom On E-Cigarettes

 

[Steamix]

I came across this last night:

Child Nicotine Poisoning Prevention Act of 2015
https://www.congress.gov/114/plaws/publ116/PLAW-114publ116.pdf

(B) EXCLUSION.—
The term ‘‘liquid nicotine container’’ does not include a sealed, pre-filled, and disposable container of nicotine in a solution or other form in which such container is inserted directly into an electronic cigarette, electronic nicotine delivery system, or other similar product...

Another score for BT.

Great find.

While we kept our eyes on the FDA, BT's slipping one in sideways.

Wonder how long it's going to take after Aug 8 for the first BT thingie to get approval.
Comparing that time frame against the snus approval will be a nice gauge for the degree of corruption...

 

[The Ocelot]

Great find.

While we kept our eyes on the FDA, BT's slipping one in sideways.

Wonder how long it's going to take after Aug 8 for the first BT thingie to get approval.
Comparing that time frame against the snus approval will be a nice gauge for the degree of corruption...

I imagine their approval will come before 2018. This article was published on 05/29/16. I suggest reading all of it.

Reynolds executives express optimism, rather than gloom, with new FDA rules

Analysts have said it could cost millions of dollars for each product to go through the heightened regulatory requirements. The FDA estimates it would cost about $500,000.

In any case, analysts and vaping advocacy groups say the new regulatory cost could be cost-prohibitive for most small vaping companies, leaving e-cigs and vaping in the hands of Big Tobacco.

Debra Crew, president and chief operating officer of R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Co. said the company “feels confident in our ability to meet these requirements and met (sic) consumer requirements.”

“We were, and are, well prepared for regulation for these vapor products, such as being a closed system, and we’ve already done much of the steps required for the regulation process.”

In the meantime, there's a new gum and a new lozenge. Both types of products already have approval. I guess that makes Reynolds BT and BP. Talk about slipping one in sideways.

"With Zonnic, Reynolds subsidiary Niconovum USA launched in April a 40-count gum package with four styles — two flavors and two strengths —that it rolled out in a pharmacy chain and a grocery store chain. A 10-count mini-lozenge is being introduced in mint flavoring in July."

 

[DPLongo22]

Well he could do that but it wouldn't help financially.
We don't get paid.
We don't get special kudos or handouts or special treatment from suppliers.
We use the same discount codes everyone else uses and shop for the best prices just like everyone else.
Heck, we don't even get to enter the ECF Contests - they are for the members to enjoy, not staff.

He's obviously one heck of a negotiator.

 

[bigdancehawk]

I made an inquiry about the number of people employed at the FDA' s Center for Tobacco Products. It's 691.

 

[DaveP]

I also want a law that says you must pay your income tax with cash to a teller who takes it from you. None of this withholding from your check stuff. You should be made to get good old fashioned cash, go to a federal teller and fork it over. People would better understand just exactly how much of their hard earned money goes to government and there is no better way than to watch the stack of cash go from your hand to a fed's hand.

That's kind of like property taxes. You find the money somewhere and pay it in a lump sum. Every year, property owners go to county commission meetings and complain about increases. It's way too apparent when you have to scrape it up by a certain date or risk having your home sold at auction.

 

[coldgin96]

I made an inquiry about the number of people employed at the FDA' s Center for Tobacco Products. It's 691.

That's just ridiculous.

 

[DaveP]

Lol.... things move a bit faster now :- ) Even reading correspondence between Jefferson and Madison in the 18th century when TJ was in France was a chore keeping everything straight ....

If it hadn't been for Jefferson we wouldn't have a Bill of Rights.

 

[DaveP]

One more article of interest before I bid you all a good night.
Hot Air: Democrats Work With Big Tobacco and Big Pharma to Choke the Vaping Industry

Hot Air: Democrats Work With Big Tobacco and Big Pharma to Choke the Vaping Industry

According to the article, the smoking cessation drug market is funneling money into the fight against ecigs.

But the other beneficiaries were pharmaceutical giants such as Pfizer, Novartis, Johnson & Johnson and GlaxoSmithKline. They had spent $100 billion to develop rival smoking-cessation products, such as nicotine patches, gums, inhalers and drugs; and unregulated e-cigarettes had been eating into their market share.
<snip>
For example, Lautenberg, one of the first to speak out against vaping, took $473,122 in donations from drug industry groups, according to OpenSecrets.org, a database of campaign finance. Lautenberg got the biggest chunk of the cash—$131,450—in 2008, just as he called for regulation of vaping. At the time, the average donation to Democrats from the pharmaceutical and health products sector was $15,130.

Massachusetts Sen. Ed Markey, who declared that e-cigarettes “should be put out of business,” took a lifetime total of $445,750 in campaign and political action committee donations, according to OpenSecrets, with the biggest spike in 2014, just as he began to speak out.

Other prominent anti-vaping Senate Democrats, such as Ohio’s Sherrod Brown and Connecticut’s Richard Blumenthal, took $479,624 and $131,550 respectively.

None of the senators responded to requests for comment.