You and I have been around the block a few times together, I'm almost fluent in zoidspeak![]()
Just doing my Part to support the concept of Sensory Adaptation.
You and I have been around the block a few times together, I'm almost fluent in zoidspeak![]()
And some on the other side are happy that most of the Dems are against vaping so they do not have to really take a stand. Let the other guys take the hit and deny liking what they are doing.Not just my opinion - see the Dimitris video where he states just that and the Siegel video me and others have posted in this thread - likely where Dimitris got his data. As far as help or hurt, depends on where their contributions may go now. Some Dems may have second thoughts.
I'm on the fence as to whether or not this hurts us. The Boxers and Feinsteins, I'm afraid, will never support us, no matter how much we try to convince them they should.I think BT support will help the bill. As I said, those who don't like BT aren't supporting it anyway. And others who might get contributions from BT may help support - some Dems there as well, but not the 'usual suspects' of course.
If BT actually supports it then my 2 US senators might support it.I'm on the fence as to whether or not this hurts us. The Boxers and Feinsteins, I'm afraid, will never support us, no matter how much we try to convince them they should.
A point we will continue to Agree on. Big tobacco saw Regulation as a Protection to their business practices, shielding them from continued individual Suites as well as Blocking any Future competition from outside Tobacco interest. It also Guaranteed Government would not attempt outright Ban of the product.
Big Tobacco is skilled at an international level and swift to fight to minimize Government interference in Business as usual.
*Governments - Oh look, we are going to pit Nasty Pictures on Cigarette Packs.
Big Tobacco - Yea, and there will still be 20 Marlboro's inside that pack.
Personally, I think this tactic was more to embarrass Smokers even more....Oh Gross, look at that pack...............and you still smoke
I get the point Governments - Let me Vape in peace!
Yes, I am anti-conformist
I Believe in individuality
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big tobacco is wasting their time aiming for the American customer,,,,,,,,they should aim all of their energy to China/region.............far more people to accept smoking as a lifestyleA point we will continue to Agree on. Big Tobacco saw Regulation as a Protection to their business practices, shielding them from continued individual Suites as well as Blocking any Future competition from outside Tobacco interest. It also Guaranteed Government would not attempt outright Ban of the product.
Big Tobacco is skilled at an international level and swift to fight to minimize Government interference in Business as usual.
*Governments - Oh look, we are going to pit Nasty Pictures on Cigarette Packs.
Big Tobacco - Yea, and there will still be 20 Marlboro's inside that pack.
Personally, I think this tactic was more to embarrass Smokers even more....Oh Gross, look at that pack...............and you still smoke
I get the point Governments - Let me Vape in peace!
Yes, I am anti-conformist
I Believe in individuality
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China IS the largest Tobacco market in the world.
The Boxers and Feinsteins, I'm afraid, will never support us,
so they do not have to really take a stand.
Hagan, coming from Tobacco Road (North Carolina), knew she would be hung if she supported the 2009 Tobacco Act so she voted against it. The only Democrat to do so. Turns out she was in favor of too many other unpopular laws and she got hung anyway in 2014 after serving only one term. And I helped by actively campaigning against her re-election. She lost by a thin margin so I like to believe I helped make a difference but she employed the race card late in the campaign and she went from a 1 - 2 point lead to a one point loss and I think that is what made the last minute difference. The race card has lost its luster in NC.They are the 'usual suspects' - along with Durbin, Schumer, Blumenthal, Sherrod Brown, Markey, Merkely, et al. Kay Hagan, now gone was with us. But google tells the story:
No results found for "Democrats who support vaping".
Actually both.Corrected......
And government Owns it![]()
Ahh but the real test ois int the final vote and if they let the vape opposers remove the ammendment from the bill or gut it somehow. It is in the FULL house now isn't it? Push comes to shove and deal making going an the R's will throw vaping under the bus and blame it all on the dems.31 votes for the amendment is taking a stand. 54 cosponsors of HR 2058 are taking a stand. Many vocally and via emails support us, as we have seen.
Ahh but the real test ois int the final vote and if they let the vape opposers remove the ammendment from the bill or gut it somehow. It is in the FULL house now isn't it? Push comes to shove and deal making going an the R's will throw vaping under the bus and blame it all on the dems.
I sincerely hope I am proven wrong but do not expect to be.
Vaping takes off as e-cigarette sales break through $6bnGlobally, sales of vapour devices grew by 59pc to £3.9bn – breaking through $6bn for the first time – as business in its largest market, the US, more than doubled to £1.7bn, according to data from Euromonitor International.
Matthew Myers, president of the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids, said the House language could keep products on the market that appear to be targeted to children, like cigars and e-cigarettes in a variety of candy and fruit flavors.
Hagan, coming from Tobacco Road (North Carolina), knew she would be hung if she supported the 2009 Tobacco Act so she voted against it. The only Democrat to do so. Turns out she was in favor of too many other unpopular laws and she got hung anyway in 2014 after serving only one term. And I helped by actively campaigning against her re-election. She lost by a thin margin so I like to believe I helped make a difference but she employed the race card late in the campaign and she went from a 1 - 2 point lead to a one point loss and I think that is what made the last minute difference. The race card has lost its luster in NC.
Yeah, Tillis is with us. I haven't heard squat from Burr. And he's up for re-election this year.Well aware of that campaign... I've liked the replies by Tillis that I have seen regarding the deeming.
Eh, shades of grey, the implication is already there.From your Link...
The bill “is nothing short of a giveaway to the tobacco industry,” said New York Rep. Nita Lowey, the top Democrat on the Appropriations Committee.
I guess the Only thing that Lowey could have said to make it sound Worse is...
This Big Tobacco Sponsored bill “is nothing short of a giveaway to the tobacco industry,” said New York Rep. Nita Lowey, the top Democrat on the Appropriations Committee.
LOL