Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[tj99959]

Sometimes I'm glad that my future is fairly short (I'm 75).

Kinda feel sorry for you folks that have to put up with the next few decades.

 

[Bronze]

Sometimes I'm glad that my future is fairly short (I'm 75).

Kinda feel sorry for you folks that have to put up with the next few decades.

I think that sometimes too. I often say to myself, "Hurry up and get your life over with so I don't have to watch it".

 

[VNeil]

Sometimes I'm glad that my future is fairly short (I'm 75).

Kinda feel sorry for you folks that have to put up with the next few decades.

I'm so glad I lived at least the beginning of my life before the term Political Correctness was invented. That IMHO is the root of all our evils. That was when 1984 started to become reality and it is chilling to consider how close that moment was to 1984....

 

[crxess]

I'm curious about this too. My understand would be, if they ONLY sell to manufacturers then their product is a raw material and does not require a PMTA. However, if they sell directly to consumers, the product DOES require a PMTA. Whoever "finishes" the product, i.e. making it ready for sale directly to consumers, is the one who files the PMTA.

This has been one of my major (2) concerns with 2016 Deeming of Nicotine. The second is Far Worse, and I cannot mention it publicly to reduce chances of implementation.

Sometimes I'm glad that my future is fairly short (I'm 75).

Kinda feel sorry for you folks that have to put up with the next few decades.

I'm with you, though only kicking at 63's door. Messed up calculations with all this and now have a 59yr. Nic supply. Maybe I will request Nic embalming

I'm so glad I lived at least the beginning of my life before the term Political Correctness was invented. That IMHO is the root of all our evils. That was when 1984 started to become reality and it is chilling to consider how close that moment was to 1984....

Agreed, Life once meant something and was enjoyable.

 

[zoiDman]

Sometimes I'm glad that my future is fairly short (I'm 75).

Kinda feel sorry for you folks that have to put up with the next few decades.

That's the Only Reason I'm Fighting all this. For that Poor Smuck out there somewhere, that I would like to see have the Same Chance of Quitting Smoking that I Did.

 

[YoursTruli]

This seems to be picking up steam, if you get a chance go look at the comments in the FDA's twitter feed @FDATobacco

they are getting some negative feedback from vapers (in the large scheme of things a drop in the bucket) but I do not think it is slowing the FDA down one bit ......................and honestly some of the comments.... well... I will just say I don't see how they are helping our side one bit, same with their FB page.
their latest tweet:
CTP updates its Safety Reporting Portal with more ways for submitting suspected problems with tobacco products:
FDA Safety Reporting Portal for Tobacco Products

 

[wiredlove]

Okay, Next Question:

Will the 2016 Update Deeming include and effect All Producers of Nicotine?(Manufacturers/refiners)

i.e. are they now Required to register as tobacco Manufacturers?
Are they now subject to PMTA policy?

I'm curious about this too. My understand would be, if they ONLY sell to manufacturers then their product is a raw material and does not require a PMTA. However, if they sell directly to consumers, the product DOES require a PMTA. Whoever "finishes" the product, i.e. making it ready for sale directly to consumers, is the one who files the PMTA.

I think that those questions would be the reason there's so much 'stocking-up' talk, and it's hard to say with how broad the deeming is but how little information the FDA has actually provided. Who knows?

I'm with you, though only kicking at 63's door. Messed up calculations with all this and now have a 59yr. Nic supply. Maybe I will request Nic embalming

Maybe you can sell some off and live like a king. I won't tell anyone if you buy a trenchcoat and 10ml bottles while you stand outside former vape shops.

 

[VNeil]

they are getting some negative feedback from vapers (in the large scheme of things a drop in the bucket) but I do not think it is slowing the FDA down one bit ......................and honestly some of the comments.... well... I will just say I don't see how they are helping our side one bit, same with their FB page.
their latest tweet:
CTP updates its Safety Reporting Portal with more ways for submitting suspected problems with tobacco products:
FDA Safety Reporting Portal for Tobacco Products

More trolling for collapsed lung vapers stories...

 

[MyMagicMist]

1 gallon = 3.785 liters. I round to 4, not 3

Myfreedomsmokes.com (MFS) is NOT a "backwater source". Their everyday price for a liter of 100mg nic is $50 and they regularly put it out at $42 or so. Buy 2 and you get free shipping. They are a very well respected source for nic but they do not market themselves as "boutique premium". I have made 4 buys over an 18 month period and was fully satisfied each time.

Last year I ordered a sample vial of Nude Nicotine. When I got it I tested it against my MFS by mixing unflavored VG at 24mg and was not sure I could tell them apart. Just the other day I did a similar test at 50mg (yes fifty). The NN may have been slightly less harsh. If I made a habit of vaping 50mg I might upgrade and pay double. But since I normally vape 3mg where it is impossible for me to tell the difference....

Eta:. Yes, to get good pricing you need to buy nic by the liter,. Pg and VG by the multiple gallons and flavoring by the 4 oz bottle.

No, I do not think poorly of MFS at all in any manner, my humble apologies if I did not express properly. Words do get in that way too often. There are very reputable vendors. There are also very irreparable vendors. I do not desire going so cheap as to get sulfuric acid shipped to me as nicotine or some such.

Being on fixed budget too does not help. I am kind of in limbo at the moment as to attaining fair gear. Once I have the fair gear the no plan, plan is to attain a fair pantry stock of unflavored juice at 1.8 mg/mL. If I want flavors I can go to the grocer's if need be or possibly extract from herbs around the homestead. Yes there are other herbs aside from the one disallowed from discussion. For example, I'm thinking basil and milkweed may provide a nice sweet cream flavor.

I'm not a business here. I am merely an individual who likes to vape as a hobby. as a way to live, to express love and help others. There should be no wrong in me enjoying a fair pantry stock of a base juice, or using my mod to vape it. Yet yesterday while in town I hid my mod when we got out of the truck. Told my wife I did not want 15 years for being an unlicensed manufacture, as that's what the silly regulations would define for me. I build my own coils, looking to mix my own juice ... yes, unlicensed manufacture of tobacco products and possibly with intention to sell and distribute.

"Cool, I'm now an illicit drug dealer! Let me go start my cartel, now."

Seriousness aside, I would and could not deal with being jailed. No, jail is not for me. I refuse being someone's abused twink, or having to have an abused twink to live, or commit suicide, or be pushed so far as to need to kill. That way is not for human beings. It is the way being offered. Lets shut it down before it gets here.

Now, please check my algebra?

Key:  A = Amount , T = Target , C = Concentrate , N = Needed

   A       T                 C            N
( 4 L  * 1.8 mg) / 100 mg    =   72 mL of C [18 mL/L of C]

Do I have it correct?

 

[Lessifer]

I think that those questions would be the reason there's so much 'stocking-up' talk, and it's hard to say with how broad the deeming is but how little information the FDA has actually provided. Who knows?



Maybe you can sell some off and live like a king. I won't tell anyone if you buy a trenchcoat and 10ml bottles while you stand outside former vape shops.

I simply don't understand how it could NOT require a PMTA when sold directly to consumers. Some people have talked about its "other" uses but I have not been able to find nicotine suspended in PG or VG for sale for any other use, and when it is sold from a site that also sells other vaping supplies, or even just flavorings, the intent is clear.

 

[VNeil]

No, I do not think poorly of MFS at all in any manner, my humble apologies if I did not express properly. Words do get in that way too often. There are very reputable vendors. There are also very irreparable vendors. I do not desire going so cheap as to get sulfuric acid shipped to me as nicotine or some such.

Being on fixed budget too does not help. I am kind of in limbo at the moment as to attaining fair gear. Once I have the fair gear the no plan, plan is to attain a fair pantry stock of unflavored juice at 1.8 mg/mL. If I want flavors I can go to the grocer's if need be or possibly extract from herbs around the homestead. Yes there are other herbs aside from the one disallowed from discussion. For example, I'm thinking basil and milkweed may provide a nice sweet cream flavor.

I'm not a business here. I am merely an individual who likes to vape as a hobby. as a way to live, to express love and help others. There should be no wrong in me enjoying a fair pantry stock of a base juice, or using my mod to vape it. Yet yesterday while in town I hid my mod when we got out of the truck. Told my wife I did not want 15 years for being an unlicensed manufacture, as that's what the silly regulations would define for me. I build my own coils, looking to mix my own juice ... yes, unlicensed manufacture of tobacco products and possibly with intention to sell and distribute.

"Cool, I'm now an illicit drug dealer! Let me go start my cartel, now."

Seriousness aside, I would and could not deal with being jailed. No, jail is not for me. I refuse being someone's abused twink, or having to have an abused twink to live, or commit suicide, or be pushed so far as to need to kill. That way is not for human beings. It is the way being offered. Lets shut it down before it gets here.

Now, please check my algebra?

Key: A = Amount , T = Target , C = Concentrate , N = Needed

A T C N
( 4 L * 1.8 mg) / 100 mg = 72 mL of C [18 mL/L of C] Do I have it correct?

Yes, 72ml of 100mg concentrate will make 4 liters of 1.8mg final juice. At 1.8mg it goes a long way

 

[crxess]

That's the Only Reason I'm Fighting all this. For that Poor Smuck out there somewhere, that I would like to see have the Same Chance of Quitting Smoking that I Did.

Same reason I refuse to Shut up!
To many chances for a young person to do something miraculous......given the opportunity. Healthier, extended life is an opportunity.

*Note: Reading the original deeming Act, it seems FDA is combining 901 and 911 in their reasoning for approval. However 911 is MRTP.

from MRTP:
FDA can issue an order authorizing the marketing of a product only if the evidence submitted in the application meets the requirements of Section 911, including, among other things, showing that the product will or is expected to benefit the health of the population as a whole.

Question - Who is the Referred to - Secretary - in many of these Rules?

Nothing in this subparagraph shall be construed to limit the Secretary's authority to take action under this section or other sections of this Act

 

[wiredlove]

I simply don't understand how it could NOT require a PMTA when sold directly to consumers. Some people have talked about its "other" uses but I have not been able to find nicotine suspended in PG or VG for sale for any other use, and when it is sold from a site that also sells other vaping supplies, or even just flavorings, the intent is clear.

It doesn't matter what we think. I could make the logical argument that it's not yet a 'finished' tobacco product, but who knows what the FDA thinks of it? They're certainly not talking as far as I know, unless it's to say "If they contain nicotine derived from tobacco, ecigs meet the definition of a 'tobacco product' and are regulated accordingly." =or= "Ecig regulations aren’t a ban; they allow manufacturers to apply to have ecigs brought to, or stay on, the market."

 

[crxess]

CTP updates its Safety Reporting Portal with more ways for submitting suspected problems with tobacco products:

Where is the Portal for Positive Comments?
Could we Flood the Problems reporting system with positives?

Vaping Saved my Life

 

[crxess]

Maybe you can sell some off and live like a king. I won't tell anyone if you buy a trenchcoat and 10ml bottles while you stand outside former vape shops.

I'll give it away first..........Just because I can

 

[wiredlove]

More trolling for collapsed lung vapers stories...

I've gotten older after I started vaping. Vaping must cause aging.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Didn't have time to read thru all the posts I missed since yesterday(early am) so if this has already been posted let me know and I will delete it. Thx
Hot Air: Democrats Work With Big Tobacco and Big Pharma to Choke the Vaping Industry

 

[bigdancehawk]

The legislative branch has delegated a great deal of legislative authority to the executive branch. Not something the Founders envisioned or would have favored.

Also, who thought it was a good idea for Congress to grant authority to an agency, and then allow that agency the power to expand its own authority?

 

[Kent C]

Here is another good one and shipping is half price 16 oz Round Amber Glass Boston Round Bottle | Glass Bottles, Jars, Closures & More | Packaging Options Direct

Don't want to clog the thread with deals though

As long as I already did, check Amazon as well. You can get cases shipped much lower than many of these bottle places

Thanks SG...

@leftyandsparky

When I bought bulk nic 5L from Decadent Vapours back in 2013, I consulted with Kurt and ended up with these from amazon: (now out of stock)

16oz/500ml
http://www.amazon.com/Kimble-Soda-L...&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00

32oz/1L
Kimble Type III Soda-Lime Glass Narrow Mouth Bottle with Solid PE Cap, Amber: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific

At the time Kurt recommended the PE caps and 'No Rubber'. :- )

Each time I access the nic from DV - who at the time had the highest quality nic (now others have joined in)... still as clear as the day I put them in the freezer.

 

[wiredlove]

Same reason I refuse to Shut up!
To many chances for a young person to do something miraculous......given the opportunity. Healthier, extended life is an opportunity.

*Note: Reading the original deeming Act, it seems FDA is combining 901 and 911 in their reasoning for approval. However 911 is MRTP.

from MRTP:
FDA can issue an order authorizing the marketing of a product only if the evidence submitted in the application meets the requirements of Section 911, including, among other things, showing that the product will or is expected to benefit the health of the population as a whole.

Question - Who is the Referred to - Secretary - in many of these Rules?

Nothing in this subparagraph shall be construed to limit the Secretary's authority to take action under this section or other sections of this Act

United States Secretary of Health and Human Services would be my guess. DHHS.