Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[LouisLeBeau]

vaping came on so fast ... they are now desperate

That pretty much sums things up ... this greedy hijacking will be exposed

Yes it does. That the Govt. never saw this juggernaut coming is no surprise. That the tobacco companies got so far behind the curve, actually surprises the heck out of me. I'm sure that they have people that they pay to spot trends and such, and those people certainly missed the ball on this one. And they KEEP missing the ball. SMH.

 

[HazyShades]

Some of us are wiser, some are not. Some have lost their soul and their distrust of the establishment and have themselves become part of the increasingly oppressive establishment they once used to oppose and ridicule.

But yea...

All I'll say here is the devil pays good wages..
and we now return this program to its regular scheduled topic.
Make sure to tune in for the next episode of &

 

[Qew]

Maybe not but at archive. org I see they were selling e-pipes e-cigars and cartridges but no liquid, in August 2006 at e-cig. com. e-liq. com has been around since 2004 but not selling anything e-cig related, not that I can see anyway it was in Japanese and had to translate it. When I got to 2006 it was redirected to e-cig. com

E-Cig Technology Inc. I don't think this is anything we want to compare our stuff to.

 

[The Ocelot]

I have been reading Federal documents all day. I discovered (although not surprised) that throughout the Deeming regs the FDA cites sections from the FFD&C Act and the FSP&TC Act, but runs fast and loose. They use section numbers (for the same topics) from the acts (of either) and from the published laws (sometimes in the same paragraph). The numbers differ in the documents. They seem to have purposely made it a nightmare to find and read the originals.

 

[eww245]

E-Cig Technology Inc. I don't think this is anything we want to compare our stuff to.

That was at the time FDA was trying to claim E-Cigarettes were a drug delivery device. Which as we know was thrown out in court. I don't think the devices could be a predicate but maybe the liquid. I'm beginning to wonder if this is the company FDA stated wcould be considered predicate, since they issued the warning letter to them they obviously knew abot their early existence.

 

[Qew]

That was at the time FDA was trying to claim E-Cigarettes were a drug delivery device. Which as we know was thrown out in court. I don't think the devices could be a predicate but maybe the liquid. I'm beginning to wonder if this is the company FDA stated wcould be considered predicate, since they issued the warning letter to them they obviously knew abot their early existence.

I don't know and haven't seen any clues posted anywhere about what could be the predicate. In the FDA warning letter, they WERE using these particular ecig products as a drug and vitamin delivery device.

ETA: Wait, I see on the website they say:
"In 2007, we developed, manufactured and introduced the first USB-supported eCig products. These products are used without the battery and charger and as with our other products, have the most complete selections and competitive prices."
So, they had a pass thru device in 2007, but I can't tell if it was sold in the US. If it was, well, maybe that's it? But there must have been some liquid from somewhere to use any of the early versions?

 

[The Ocelot]

Well! Righttovape.org is not a site. WTH!

Someone has the domain, but no server listed.
Righttovape.org
Updated Date: 2014-12-01T15:12:18Z

RIGHTTOVAPE.COM is registered, but it's a GoDaddy.
Updated Date: 01-dec-2014
Expiration Date: 31-dec-2016

 

[eww245]

E-Cig Technology Inc. I don't think this is anything we want to compare our stuff to.

That was at the time FDA was trying to claim E-Cigarettes were a drug delivery device. Which as we know was thrown out in court. I don't think the devices could be a predicate but maybe the liquid. I'm beginning to wonder if this is the company FDA stated wcould be considered predicate, since they issued the warning letter to them they obviously knew abot their early existence.

That was at the time FDA was trying to claim E-Cigarettes were a drug delivery device. Which as we know was thrown out in court. I don't think the devices could be a predicate but maybe the liquid. I'm beginning to wonder if this is the company FDA stated wcould be considered predicate, since they issued the warning letter to them they obviously knew abot their early existence.

I don't know and haven't seen any clues posted anywhere about what could be the predicate. In the FDA warning letter, they WERE using these particular ecig products as a drug and vitamin delivery device.

I didn't read that far down. Wow E-......

 

[Qew]

I edited my last post, I have bad timing.

 

[Woofer]

I found this worth watching - it is on Netflix now

Trailer -

 

[Lessifer]

Someone has the domain, but no server listed.
Righttovape.org
Registrant Name: Julia Woessner
Registrant Organization:
Registrant Street: {Moderator removed}
Registrant City: Des Moines
Registrant State/Province: Iowa
Registrant Postal Code: 50314
Registrant Country: US
Updated Date: 2014-12-01T15:12:18Z

RIGHTTOVAPE.COM is registered, but it's a GoDaddy.
Updated Date: 01-dec-2014
Expiration Date: 31-dec-2016

ETA: Julia must be her real name, the email contact is Julie. Julie Woessner is with CASAA.

I believe that's Julie from CASAA. Must have been an early thing that didn't pan out.

 

[crxess]

Maybe not but at archive. org I see they were selling e-pipes e-cigars and cartridges but no liquid, in August 2006 at e-cig. com. e-liq. com has been around since 2004 but not selling anything e-cig related, not that I can see anyway it was in Japanese and had to translate it. When I got to 2006 it was redirected to e-cig. com

On Jan 6 2007 they were marketing e-smoking liquid but I can't get to the product page, it must not have been archived

 http://web.archive.org/web/20070106232713/http://www.e-cig.com/en/index.htm

Maybe, but that 2005-2007 Page(About) Shows

Established in 1995, Beijing M & F Industrial & Trading Co.

​

Ltd

So maybe they hijacked borrowed a Domain name active in another country, establishing Early recognition.
Nothing in the About Main frame mentions anything e-cig related.
I do know back when, people were constantly Purchasing Domains others Thought they Owned.

 

[The Ocelot]

Thanks for this. One interesting fact about e-liq they appear to be one of the first to introduce different nic levels in E-Liquid and the first to develop a usb powered e-cig . I guess we have our predict products, at least E-Liquid. Looking at their parent company's website e-cig. com about page

Beginning in 2003, we were one of the first pioneers in research and development of the electronic cigarette products. From 2004, we were one of the pioneers to manufacture and market worldwide the electronic cigarette products.

Prior to 2005, no E-Liquid products existed in the marketplace...
We were the first to market the E-Liquid products with different density of nicotine and different flavors

In 2005, we secured the registration of the top commercial website domain name: E-Cig.com. Not only we are the first to introduce the first electronic cigarette products to the world, but we were also the first to set up a commercial website for thse products.

In 2007, we developed, manufactured and introduced the first USB-supported eCig products. These products are used without the battery and charger and as with our other products, have the most complete selections and competitive prices

In 2014, E-Cig launched the world first e-liquid and e-cigarette vending machines.

Well, at least now I know where that came from.

 

[Qew]

Maybe, but that 2005-1007 Page(About) Shows


So maybe they hijacked borrowed a Domain name active in another country, establishing Early recognition.
Nothing in the About Main frame mentions anything e-cig related.
I do know back when, people were constantly Purchasing Domains others Thought they Owned.

Here's their own timeline. About Us They invented everything!

 

[The Ocelot]

I believe that's Julie from CASAA. Must have been an early thing that didn't pan out.

I figured that out after I posted.

 

[beckdg]

I have been reading Federal documents all day. I discovered (although not surprised) that throughout the Deeming regs the FDA cites sections from the FFD&C Act and the FSP&TC Act, but runs fast and loose. They use section numbers (for the same topics) from the acts (of either) and from the published laws (sometimes in the same paragraph). The numbers differ in the documents. They seem to have purposely made it a nightmare to read the original documents.

That was a given.

Ever read the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act?

Gives complete rights to government and any agency to surveil any and all citizens at any and all times if they're willing to mutter a few key words with a straight face.

Passed as protection from terrorists.

3 references on majority of each Lines.

Including sections A, B & C of the original line and of subsections I, II & III.

Written out it's over 1,000 pages of small font.

One of those "we have to pass it to know what's in it deals".

3 revisions...

Passed in about a month.

Surely Congress was given cliffs notes of someone's interpretation to vote on. Those slugs aren't doing that much homework.

Writing this and claiming that reason... that's what it looks like.

Many long nights of for those that see the hearings and media coverage AND ACTUALLY read the damn things.

Tapatyped

 

[Yiana]

No joke - today I drove by a building site in the neighborhood that was being constructed. Guess what the sign said? "Coming soon - Vaper's Lounge!" Seriously? Good luck with that.

Also, while at work last week, I met a vaper who had absolutely no clue about the regs. I filled him in. It's not like he was a newbie, either. He and his wife had box mods, etc and had been vaping for over a year. They had no idea.

Yeah, a new vape store opened up just 2 months ago by MTSU college. I was like really? There are quite a few stores here in my city, but I was pretty floored someone would invest in a new store at this point with the fda deeming.

Not surprising they were clueless. The gov't made it clear they were destroying an industry yet according to the the media they passed some regulations to require childproof caps and a few other minor things. Surreal.

My mil thought from what she heard in the media that it was regulations for 18 and older and that it would be childproof caps and just high taxes. She is well informed now. And getting stocked up. She's 70 and if she doesn't vape she would definitely go back to cigarettes. She was actually the one who turned me onto vaping three years ago. She herself smoked for over 40 years. Her doctor said she has gotten so much healthier and doesn't even have high blood preasure anymore to boot!

It makes me so mad that the fda is doing this to all of us and to the people who have yet to make the transition from smoking cigarettes to vaping.

 

[Yiana]

That was a given.

Ever read the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act?

Gives complete rights to government and any agency to surveil any and all citizens at any and all times if they're willing to mutter a few key words with a straight face.

Passed as protection from terrorists.

3 references on majority of each Lines.

Including sections A, B & C of the original line and of subsections I, II & III.

Written out it's over 1,000 pages of small font.

One of those "we have to pass it to know what's in it deals".

3 revisions...

Passed in about a month.

Surely Congress was given cliffs notes of someone's interpretation to vote on. Those slugs aren't doing that much homework.

Writing this and claiming that reason... that's what it looks like.

Many long nights of for those that see the hearings and media coverage AND ACTUALLY read the damn things.

Tapatyped

That is what makes me so mad. They pass these things like the Patriot act without reading it. And how about Obamacare? Pelosi said they had to pass it to know what's in it. They need to do their effing jobs.

 

[The Ocelot]

That was a given.

Ever read the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act?

Gives complete rights to government and any agency to surveil any and all citizens at any and all times if they're willing to mutter a few key words with a straight face.

Passed as protection from terrorists.

3 references on majority of each Lines.

Including sections A, B & C of the original line and of subsections I, II & III.

Written out it's over 1,000 pages of small font.

One of those "we have to pass it to know what's in it deals".

3 revisions...

Passed in about a month.

Surely Congress was given cliffs notes of someone's interpretation to vote on. Those slugs aren't doing that much homework.

Writing this and claiming that reason... that's what it looks like.

Many long nights of for those that see the hearings and media coverage AND ACTUALLY read the damn things.

Tapatyped

And people think Edward Snowden is a criminal. If you haven't seen his interview with John Oliver it's worth checking out. Very funny and very sad.

Last Week Tonight Snowden interview

 

[beckdg]

It makes me so mad that the fda is doing this to all of us and to the people who have yet to make the transition from smoking cigarettes to vaping.

FDA are merely the thugs.

They're doing what's been "suggested" of them. (Hint, elbow, hint, wink... your job and rear end are on the line. Here's a back scratcher for Christmas for your efforts.)

Have you seen the interrogations at any of the hearings where business owners were stating their cases?

There's clearly someone above Congress behind all this.

And Congress appointed the FDA to put e-cigs in their place.

Obviously a predetermined place.

Someone... everyone... should press criminal charges on every branch and root of this tree.

Tapatyped