Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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my two cents/observations...
If there were problems with vaping...and with the way everyone posts here...
Don't you think the Health, Safety and Vaping Forum would be packed with "Ohmagawd" threads ?
(they are pretty much new people with standard quitting smoking issues and nervous fears)
If there were problems with vaping...and with the way everyone posts here...
Don't you think the Health, Safety and Vaping Forum would be packed with "Ohmagawd" threads ?
(they are pretty much new people with standard quitting smoking issues and nervous fears)
With Parental Consent?
I at the least expected my Teenage children to listen to my reasoning and obey my house rules until they were self sustaining. All 4 are grown and have, on numerous occasions, thanked me.
Rational reasoning though I would prefer not to have to worry with either in the future.
Cinnamon red hots, Menthol, Diketones
Things we are learning may be a negative or have harmful repercussions, Teens are Not concerned with knowing.(Flavors)
As responsible consumers and Adults thinking about our health, We do ask and Industry does respond, but there is the Gap until the verification's are made.
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My opinion on this "teens should not be allowed to vape". Most smokers started smoking while they were young teens. Are we seriously hard hearted enough to say to them "no vape for you to get you off cigarettes, you have to continue smoking until you are old enough to vape"and, I would much rather that young teen start vaping instead of getting hooked on cigarettes in the first place. I truly do believe with ever fiber of my being that they WILL NOT get addicted to vaping.
Exactly. I started smoking in highschool as did most people I know. Teens are going to get their hands on whatever they want. Look how many teens try drugs. I wish I had the choice of picking up vaping instead of smoking. I wouldn't have gotten addicted to cigarettes and wouldn't have had years of inhaling carcinogens if I could have vaped. Vaping is a blessing and like someone said it is a fad among teens. When the ones who pass that fad, can quit as opposed to the addiction that cigarettes do.
So true!!!
Not sure how this thread jumped from the Deeming Regulations to allowing teens to vape..... I never cease to be amazed at the reasoning because teens will vape, smoke, do drugs, drink, have sex...anyways... as a reason to say we should just throw up our hands and say let them....and this reasoning often from a lot of people crying parental responsibility...
I never cease to be amazed at the reasoning because teens will vape, smoke, do drugs, drink, have sex...anyways... as a reason to say we should just throw up our hands and say let them....and this reasoning often from a lot of people crying parental responsibility... 
My fault, I took it there. The reason I took it there is because someone posted a video of a person telling horrendous lies about vaping, and using certain bottles of liquid to support their misinformation. Some people responded with wanting to post the correct info to that video, and some people, and I'm paraphrasing here, said "no wonder, look at those bottles." IMO that attitude is as harmful, if not more, than the gullible public who believes that vaping is targeting teens. It's blaming the industry, not for doing something wrong, but for doing something that people could twist into being wrong.Not sure how this thread jumped from the Deeming Regulations to allowing teens to vape.....
My reasoning is not "teens will be teens" or any version of that. Mine is more simple than that. Just as there is no factual reasoning to restrict my access to vapor products, there is to date no factual reasoning to restrict anyone's access to vapor products.
Your position implies there is something equally terrible with vaping. I don't take that position.Not sure how this thread jumped from the Deeming Regulations to allowing teens to vape.....
Ding Ding!
How can we expect anyone to look at vaping differently if even we, as vapers, see it through "smoke colored" glasses?
I wish people would truly think about why they believe teens shouldn't be allowed to vape. Do any of those reasons have anything to do with something other than an extension of fear of cigarettes?
DC2 brought up the only potential harm we've identified so far, the flavors, but even those we've only recognized as a potential, we don't know that any of them cause any real or lasting harm.
I've long maintained that this group of vapers is as propagandized as the general populstion. They just refuse to admit it. And it's one major reason why we are doomed to fail.
Don't know if this has been posted here before.
Lorann's has announced that they will not be submitting their flavor ingredients to the FDA flavor masterfile. As far as i know Cappella's and Flavourart have said that they will. I haven't heard anything from the other flavor manufacturers.
http://lorannoils.com/sites/default/files/LorAnn May 2016 Statement Regarding FDA Tobacco Control Act.pdf
Lorann's has announced that they will not be submitting their flavor ingredients to the FDA flavor masterfile. As far as i know Cappella's and Flavourart have said that they will. I haven't heard anything from the other flavor manufacturers.
http://lorannoils.com/sites/default/files/LorAnn May 2016 Statement Regarding FDA Tobacco Control Act.pdf
And there lies the rub. We as vapers and ex-smokers are of the belief,thru personal research, that vaping is much less harmful than the smoke we were inhaling, 95% is what independant research has stated.However, 95% less harmful than smoking does not equate to harmless.
I have two kids, both boys, one a 25yr old smoker who hacks as bad as I ever have and a 9yr whom I will do everything I can to convince him to never inhale anything but air.
If he does decide to experiment when the time comes I will gladly hand him a mod and tank from my stash.
Not sure how this thread jumped from the Deeming Regulations to allowing teens to vape.....
Age restrictions are a cession of parental-rights, not a failure of parents to meet their "responsibility".
Consider it this way:
Society has laws- laws against assault, rape, murder, etc. When someone breaks one of these laws, the people punish them. This includes when children are the perpetrators. Society has set boundaries, and, when those boundaries are breached, there are repercussions, regardless the breacher's age.
Then, there are other things that society has not deemed wrong, but still, somehow, "bad" - things like sex, alcohol, tobacco, rough media, whatever. These are the things that, if you choose to do them, you'll not be punished, but, still, there is a stigma about them. Not ilegal, but also, generally, "not for the dinner table".
This second category of "bad" things is really the domain of the most local level of government- i.e. the home. Dad is allowed to use foul language, but Jr is not. Mom can have a glass of wine after a hard day, but teen Suzy only gets lemonade after a rough day at school.
Those rules, and their enforcement, are meant to reside with the powers-that-be in the home. If I choose to let my child smoke (oh, dear, I know), then that's on me. Smoking is not illegal, and allowing any higher level of government than the one that holds seat under my roof to make that determination is a cession of my power.
If I want to let my 8 year old have a beer with his dinner at the steakhouse, that's my jurisdiction.
He's not the one driving home, and how, exactly, is it any worse than a parent that decides to let their child eat McDonald's?
That's great, I don't belong to the church of GG.
I know that my opinions do not coincide with the majority of the public face of vaping. I still believe I'm right. I still believe that every time a vaper repeats "of course I support age restrictions" or "that label/flavor is just asking for it" that the opposition wins a little bit.
At least 95%.
Can you name one thing that you consume that is harmless?
What is the relative harm of a candy bar, or a can of soda, or riding a skateboard, or using hair dye, or eating mcdonald's, or etc.?
In fact the UK RCP never quantified that 5% or attributed it to any known harm. It was a WAG of the unknown. Yet now everyone quotes that 5% as some sort of science, which it is decidedly not. It was the political part of that report.
ETA:. In fact, the report actually says "up to 5%", equally implying it could be ZERO PERCENT.
Flavorings for eating, FDA lets manufacturers basically police themselves among themselves. For vaping, they need to disclose everything, and jump through all sorts of disclosed and undisclosed hoops.
Gotta protect the kids. Kids don't eat. Kids vape.
Your absolutely correct, life is fatal. I happen to watch how much candy, soda and other junk food my youngest consumes. Mcdonalds is a treat every once in awhile and I rarely if ever offer him a hit on my mod
.We all bring our own ideas with us to this subject form our own experiences. I just believe we shouldn't suggest that any kid anywhere at any time should have the "right" to vape.
I wonder if GG realizes that some might see a tattooed hipster with a Transformers poster and Storm Trooper helmet as someone who is promoting vaping to minors?
He could be the new Stephen Dorff.
He could be the new Stephen Dorff.
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