Of course it is actually no more relevant than a discussion of caffeinated vs decaf coffee drinking.
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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Make sure it is organic. Soybeans are one of the most gmo product out there besides corn.
I think the Much of the work that has been done in the UK has been Fantastic. And I believe that the Results have been Very Positive.
I just Don't Like blanket percentages applied to All Aspects of something like e-Cigarette use. Either Good or Bad.
And I wish this had been the Tag Line that People would think of when they think of e-Cigarettes.
"On current evidence, there is no doubt that smokers who switch to vaping reduce the risks to their health dramatically."
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa..._authors_note_on_evidence_for_95_estimate.pdf
As GunMonkeyINTL and my response to him indicated.... but we expect it, it's been evident for a while now.
Hey, I like most of that stuff too. My point is, saying he is promoting vaping to minors because of the posters on his wall is about as valid as saying any label is targeting minors. In other words, both are equally invalid.
I think that when Less says that he draws HIS line with the parents, another way that could be taken is that he considers the line to be your line, where you choose to draw it.
If 10 out of 10 parents choose not to let their children vape, we have exactly the same result as an "age-restriction" would create. But, what if only 9 out of 10 parents do? Then what does that change for you and your child?
The wife and I don't have children yet, but we hope to soon. Should that day come, I don't think I will ever feed my child McDonalds. Should we have a girl, she will not be having factory-raised chicken, or commercial beef/dairy products.
I can effect that. We grow 50% of our food at home, and 90% of what we do but is in ingredient form. I've read up on the effects of modern hormone-based livestock rearing, and I would not be able to sleep at night knowing that I put that stuff in to my daughter's forming body out of a matter of convenience.
That said, do we, based on my feelings, need age-restrictions on fast and processed foods? Or do I just need to do what I think best for my children, and leave you to do best for yours?
Should I catch my son smoking, the whooping will ensue. Should his high-school teacher call me because she caught him sneaking a pouch of snus before his mid-terms, and he articulates to me that he has read up on the benefits of nicotine and went into it with eyes open, then, well, the wife and I are going to have a talk...and then Jr. and I are going to have a talk.
Your suggesting that the line belongs anywhere other than with the parents, and the parents alone, is the same as saying the wife and I need to bring you in on our discussion about how we're going to deal with jr's nicotine-pouch incident.
Would you let your 17 year old have a cup of coffee before his big exam? Do I get a say in that?
smh.... every time i put a 'face' on the FDA,, its Hitlers.... i promise you if i ever hear of radical event targeting the FDA.. i wont care. our forefathers are rolling over in their graves about how aMerica has changed from original inception/creation.
"Indentified" is too strong - "talked about" is more factual. No instances of B.O. in smokers - as Dr. F has said. I know that he said more than that, but Pierce's study makes it abundantly clear to anyone who followed that line of argument back and forth with Pierce winning out.
How about the fda just bans the children?
The Chinese FDA already tried that.
They have the "Fun and Doing-It Administration", and they decided that the maximum acceptable children level was 1.
Whole lot of baby girls got thrown in the river over that debacle.
True.
Actually, there is one potential harm that has been identified, misuse, almost always improper use, and likely due to insufficient user knowledge. An effective way to combat this potential for harm would be to do everything possible to ensure that vapers have access to knowledgeable help, all vapers.
And now you've stated your line.
See a pattern here? Everybody has a line, they're line, that they come to from having they're personal experience. All good. But don't expect my line to be where Less's line or your line are.
And...be careful with the whoopin cause raising kids today ain't like when I was growing up.
They kinda frown on dad's board of education. Mine busted that thing across my behind then yanked off the belt and kept goin.
i can't find a link,, years ago,, some work was done showing cancer feeds on sugars,, both simple and complex. ---after that i try to stick as close as possible to green veggies and meat. i do love my junk foods,, but try to limit my exposures to them.
i was raised on an organic farm,, long before organic was cool.. in fact it was mocked more. for years i would get beef, pork and chicken from the farm. as time went on,, the farm had to be wound down due to pop's health.
so, then i had to buy meats.....first came sticker shock,, then taste bud shock. i highly recommend a trip out of town to find a small farmer who will let you buy 1/2 a cow or pig. or if your friends mention they found an organic farmer,, go in with him.
It's like I've said with what some call "common sense regulations" - that plays to the authorities, and the 95% number without any justification does that. It tends to make one sound "reasonable" but I'm with Lessifer on this one, given the actual data we have (even from long term studies on inhalation of PG and VG from Dow Chem.), 5% is not "reasonable". Bill G, Brad Rodu and others say that 95% gives too much away and prefer 99.99% etc.
i wont go out of my way to stop teen vaping........vaping has a very 'chilling' effect on me,,,,,,,,,,and we could use more chilled out teens over the violent we seem to have in our 'village' these days.My opinion on this "teens should not be allowed to vape". Most smokers started smoking while they were young teens. Are we seriously hard hearted enough to say to them "no vape for you to get you off cigarettes, you have to continue smoking until you are old enough to vape"and, I would much rather that young teen start vaping instead of getting hooked on cigarettes in the first place. I truly do believe with ever fiber of my being that they WILL NOT get addicted to vaping.
It all makes Sense now.
Inclusion of Cigars, Hooka, e-cigarettes(all types)
Drives up the %Percentage% of Smokers in the US........Showing a need for a massive aggressive attack on the Tobacco industry(us included) thus Justifying the need for
What a Freakin Bull
con on the American Public!So, what is the Estimate for 2016 Smoking Rate in the US? 23%, 27% ?
I vape
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Exactly. But there is a notable difference between "my" line and "your" line:
My line says the line is where the individual draws it- you included. Your line is that your's is the right one, and therefore should be enforced as THE line.
Should we exchange phone numbers so that we can brief each other in when we have a decision to make about our families?
Or would you rather just handle it through legislation/regulation?
You know, our culture has no problem zombyfying our children, on a massive scale, with all sorts of psychoactive meds, but freaks out over a little harmless nicotine...
People can use any Percentage they want to relate e-Cigarettes being "Safer" than Smoking. And if they want to Base it on Inhalation of PG and VG, go for it.
But remember that it is the Dose that Makes the Poison.
And if One isn't taking into account All the Chemicals that May or May Not be Present in an e-Liquid, or taking into account all the Varied Ways that people Vape, I'm Not exactly sure what a Singular Percentage even Means?
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