Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[VNeil]

People can use any Percentage they want to relate e-Cigarettes being "Safer" than Smoking. And if they want to Base it on Inhalation of PG and VG, go for it.

But remember that it is the Dose that Makes the Poison.

And if One isn't taking into account All the Chemicals that May or May Not be Present in an e-liquid, or taking into account all the Varied Ways that people vape, I'm Not exactly sure what a Singular Percentage even Means?

A number would only be meaningful if comparing illness or death, relative to vaping.
Deaths per year:. 480,000 : zero
Illnesses? Some big number: zero

 

[coldgin96]

Hey, I like most of that stuff too. My point is, saying he is promoting vaping to minors because of the posters on his wall is about as valid as saying any label is targeting minors. In other words, both are equally invalid.

I'm being somewhat tongue in cheek. Us old people like to have fun, even in the face of death...

 

[coldgin96]

I think that when Less says that he draws HIS line with the parents, another way that could be taken is that he considers the line to be your line, where you choose to draw it.

If 10 out of 10 parents choose not to let their children vape, we have exactly the same result as an "age-restriction" would create. But, what if only 9 out of 10 parents do? Then what does that change for you and your child?

The wife and I don't have children yet, but we hope to soon. Should that day come, I don't think I will ever feed my child McDonalds. Should we have a girl, she will not be having factory-raised chicken, or commercial beef/dairy products.

I can effect that. We grow 50% of our food at home, and 90% of what we do but is in ingredient form. I've read up on the effects of modern hormone-based livestock rearing, and I would not be able to sleep at night knowing that I put that stuff in to my daughter's forming body out of a matter of convenience.

That said, do we, based on my feelings, need age-restrictions on fast and processed foods? Or do I just need to do what I think best for my children, and leave you to do best for yours?

Should I catch my son smoking, the whooping will ensue. Should his high-school teacher call me because she caught him sneaking a pouch of snus before his mid-terms, and he articulates to me that he has read up on the benefits of nicotine and went into it with eyes open, then, well, the wife and I are going to have a talk...and then Jr. and I are going to have a talk.

Your suggesting that the line belongs anywhere other than with the parents, and the parents alone, is the same as saying the wife and I need to bring you in on our discussion about how we're going to deal with jr's nicotine-pouch incident.

Would you let your 17 year old have a cup of coffee before his big exam? Do I get a say in that?

Lol. Let me know how that all works out for you, after you've actually raised children... lol

 

[Max-83]

My line says the line is where the individual draws it- you included. Your line is that your's is the right one, and therefore should be enforced as THE line.

?????? Whoaaaa....stop. No need to go any further down that road.
My posts have supported nothing more than the the fact we all have our on very specific ideas on the subject. I don't expect you to conform to my beliefs anymore than I will conform to yours.

The end

 

[Lessifer]

And now you've stated your line.

See a pattern here? Everybody has a line, they're line, that they come to from having they're personal experience. All good. But don't expect my line to be where Less's line or your line are.

And...be careful with the whoopin cause raising kids today ain't like when I was growing up.
They kinda frown on dad's board of education. Mine busted that thing across my behind then yanked off the belt and kept goin.

You're kind of missing the point, I'm not against any parent having their own line with their own child. I'm against anyone else, including the government, imposing a line with me and my child.

 

[zoiDman]

A number would only be meaningful if comparing illness or death, relative to vaping.
Deaths per year:. 480,000 : zero
Illnesses? Some big number: zero

Not sure if even a Mortality Numbers would work.

I smoked for a Long Time. If I dropped Dead today, after 6 Years of Vaping, was it the Vaping that caused my Premature Death? Or was it the 25 Years of Smoking that caused it? And if I hadn't Vaped, would I have Lived Longer?

Who Knows?

All I know is that I believe that Vaping is Better for me than Smoking. But is probably Not without a Some Harm.

 

[Max-83]

You're kind of missing the point, I'm not against any parent having their own line with their own child. I'm against anyone else, including the government, imposing a line with me and my child.

Wow....not being in lock step with the libertarians can get exhuasting here.

I was merely pointing out that we all have an idea of what's acceptable as far as the chillun aspect to the deeming regs. Not everybody agrees is kinda the point and as has been shown in the last couple of pages here there seems to be a lot of intolerence by some people to accept and repect that fact.

 

[classwife]

from :
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...on_for_evidence_based_policy_and_practice.pdf
Page 4 of 6
" the conclusion of Professor John Britton’s 2014 review for PHE, that while
vaping may not be 100% safe, most of the chemicals causing smoking-related
disease are absent and the chemicals present pose limited danger, remains
valid. The current best estimate is that e-cigarette use is around 95%
less harmful to health than smoking "

 

[VNeil]

Not sure if even a Mortality Numbers would work.

I smoked for a Long Time. If I dropped Dead today, after 6 Years of Vaping, was it the Vaping that caused my Premature Death? Or was it the 25 Years of Smoking that caused it? And if I hadn't Vaped, would I have Lived Longer?

Who Knows?

All I know is that I believe that Vaping is Better for me than Smoking. But is probably Not without a Some Harm.

I know.... you are one of many here that have bought into the propaganda that "there must be something wrong with it".

 

[GunMonkeyINTL]

Lol. Let me know how that all works out for you, after you've actually raised children... lol

I don't have children of my own yet, and never may, but I did have my brother's daughter for a couple years, and we have fostered.

When the girls were in the house, all the beef came from the local farm, the milk came from my neighbor's goats, and the chicken came out of our coop.

I fed them McDonalds on one road trip, but then cooked on a portable grill at rest-stops from then on out.

So, yeah, bro, I did effect that. Thanks for the good-luck wishes, but I doubt that had anything to do with it.

Any other comments or advice? [Moderated]

 

[Yiana]

The Chinese FDA already tried that.
They have the "Fun and Doing-It Administration", and they decided that the maximum acceptable children level was 1.

Whole lot of baby girls got thrown in the river over that debacle.

Yeah, how did that work out for them? Not enough women to partner to the mass amount of men. Then they realized that after the fact amd now they can have two children so they will have more girls and even it out.

But ya know I was just being sarcastic before.

 

[Lessifer]

Wow....not being in lock step with the libertarians can get exhuasting here.

I was merely pointing out that we all have an idea of what's acceptable as far as the chillun aspect to the deeming regs. Not everybody agrees is kinda the point and as has been shown in the last couple of pages here there seems to be a lot of intolerence by some people to accept and repect that fact.

I'm actually not a libertarian. I don't believe that all age restrictions are bad. I'm actually undecided as to how I feel about the smoking age restriction. I just see a huge difference between smoking and alcohol, and vaping. Smoking has proven harms, likely not as bad as we've all been led to believe, but smoking is addictive and harmful. Alcohol is addictive and harmful. Vaping hasn't been shown to be addictive or harmful.

 

[coldgin96]

?????? Whoaaaa....stop. No need to go any further down that road.
My posts have supported nothing more than the the fact we all have our on very specific ideas on the subject. I don't expect you to conform to my beliefs anymore than I will conform to yours.

The end

Lol. When I was his age, I knew everything. Bet you did too!

 

[GunMonkeyINTL]

?????? Whoaaaa....stop. No need to go any further down that road.
My posts have supported nothing more than the the fact we all have our on very specific ideas on the subject. I don't expect you to conform to my beliefs anymore than I will conform to yours.

The end

K. My bad, then. You're NOT saying that you support legislation/regulation for age-restrictions?

If not, then I misread you, and concede.

If you DO support those regulations, then my point and my post stand.

 

[coldgin96]

I don't have children of my own yet, and never may, but I did have my brother's daughter for a couple years, and we have fostered.

When the girls were in the house, all the beef came from the local farm, the milk came from my neighbor's goats, and the chicken came out of our coop.

I fed them McDonalds on one road trip, but then cooked on a portable grill at rest-stops from then on out.

So, yeah, bro, I did effect that. Thanks for the good-luck wishes, but I doubt that had anything to do with it.

Any other comments or advice? [Moderated]

Ummm, actually, I didn't wish you good luck. But, hey, good luck!

 

[Mazinny]

Wow....not being in lock step with the libertarians can get exhuasting here.

Meh, you too, are probably a libertarian, you just don't know it.

 

[Max-83]

Lol. When I was his age, I knew everything. Bet you did too!

If you ask my 9yr old I am as clueless as a newborn

 

[zoiDman]

I know.... you are one of many here that have bought into the propaganda that "there must be something wrong with it".

Propaganda is a Funny Word.

Because I never felt that Inhaling PG, VG, Nicotine, Flavorings, Artificial Sweeteners, and Possible Colourants 12 Hours a Day, 7 Days a Week, 365 a Year was Not Without Some harm Long Before any of the Anti e-Cigarette "Propaganda" first Emerged.

 

[Max-83]

Meh, you too, are probably a libertarian, you just don't know it.

Proud Independent, I kinda take my politics ala carte

 

[coldgin96]

If you ask my 9yr old I am as clueless as a newborn

Yeah, I think I still have the boot prints on my ....! Lol