Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[beckdg]

Don't kid yourself, Government agency's are consistently run by former exec's and other employees of big corporations that they're supposed to be overseeing and regulating.

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Agreed

With special attention to the FDA.

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

I've posted this before:

Reynolds executives express optimism, rather than gloom, with new FDA rules

Debra Crew [president and chief operating officer of R.J. Reynolds tobacco Co.] said the company “feels confident in our ability to meet these requirements and met consumer requirements.”

“We were, and are, well prepared for regulation for these vapor products, such as being a closed system, and we’ve already done much of the steps required for the regulation process.”

She fails to mention pining for the rights to host the laboratory for testing of equivalent products.

Tapatyped

 

[SeniorBoy]

OK, I am going to put my flame-proof armor on and speak my mind.

Saying the "the FDA wants to kill me" is IMHO a sure fire way to get people to look at me like I am wearing a tinfoil hat. Whether it be true or not, the reaction that I will get from the vast majority is that I am a nutcase.

Really, I dont even believe anyone wants to kill me, I just believe they dont care. It is all about political and financial motivations, and my health is irrelevant.

I have been struggling with how to communicate this whole thing to non-smokers, non-informed vapers, etc. I honestly believe that as soon as I mention BT, or BP, or any of that, I become discredited as a conspiracy nut. The best angle I have been able to come up with is the "denial of my personal rights".

No need for the flame proof armor Mike.

I asked for input/suggestions and quite a few have been posted which is great.

What would YOU and anyone else suggest for text on a bumper sticker?

 

[Woofer]

Debra Crew [president and chief operating officer of R.J. Reynolds tobacco Co.] said the company “feels confident in our ability to meet these requirements and met consumer requirements.”

She is obviously unaware of my requirements from Reynolds. If a hermaphrodite there is a small chance..

 

[beckdg]

I agree that the results of the deeming regulations are harmful, but that's ... not ... immediately proveable in a court.

Smokers die

Vapers aren't smokers

FDA is limiting available options that increase efficacy to a wider array of the populous.

Here is a copy of the proposed regulations for your reading pleasure.

I rest my case, your honor.

Tapatyped

 

[The Ocelot]

Been following her articles for about 3+ years now......

I've been following her too, although not for as long.

 

[Kent C]

I've been following her too, although not for as long.

Bill G. first mentioned her in the Media/Regulation forums. Good source and she's been pretty accurate, but then Wells Fargo Securities customers rely on that :- )

 

[The Ocelot]

Sorry if this has been posted earlier, I didn't see it.

If Vaping Causes Smoking, Why Are Cigarettes Less Popular Than Ever With Teenagers?

Here's one from Indiana: Eight Things to Know: FDA to Regulate e-Cigarettes Like Tobacco - Indianapolis Monthly

"Indiana will begin regulating e-liquid on July 1. The law requires e-liquid makers to obtain a permit from the alcohol and tobacco commission before bottling or selling their product."

I'm confused. Is the "alcohol and tobacco commission" a state agency? How would a permit be obtained? Based on what criteria? I guess this explains why Parkes vaping is closing up shop.

 

[leftyandsparky]

Sorry if this has been posted earlier, I didn't see it.

If Vaping Causes Smoking, Why Are Cigarettes Less Popular Than Ever With Teenagers?

Here's one from Indiana: Eight Things to Know: FDA to Regulate e-Cigarettes Like Tobacco - Indianapolis Monthly

"Indiana will begin regulating e-liquid on July 1. The law requires e-liquid makers to obtain a permit from the alcohol and tobacco commission before bottling or selling their product."

I'm confused. Is the "alcohol and tobacco commission" a state agency? How would a permit be obtained? Based on what criteria? I guess this explains why Parkes Vaping is closing up shop.

I think its a state licence

 

[leftyandsparky]

Collecting taxes like cigarettes

 

[The Ocelot]

Aren't they just soooo proud of themselves

 

[StormFinch]

Sorry if this has been posted earlier, I didn't see it.

If Vaping Causes Smoking, Why Are Cigarettes Less Popular Than Ever With Teenagers?

Here's one from Indiana: Eight Things to Know: FDA to Regulate e-Cigarettes Like Tobacco - Indianapolis Monthly

"Indiana will begin regulating e-liquid on July 1. The law requires e-liquid makers to obtain a permit from the alcohol and tobacco commission before bottling or selling their product."

I'm confused. Is the "alcohol and tobacco commission" a state agency? How would a permit be obtained? Based on what criteria? I guess this explains why Parkes Vaping is closing up shop.

I think its a state licence

It is a state license, with some pretty ridiculous requirements. For example, that security company has to have a trained fire door installation technician on staff for at least a year, thus the mention of a single security company in state that has said requirement. In fact, the rules for juice mixing in Indiana are now a heck of a lot more involved than even those for brewing beer or making wine. Needless to say, the juice makers are finding it difficult to impossible to meet the demands so they're closing up shop. Last I looked, there was a lawsuit filed. Most are convinced that it's a corrupted system at work.

 

[crxess]

It is a state license, with some pretty ridiculous requirements. For example, that security company has to have a trained fire door installation technician on staff for at least a year, thus the mention of a single security company in state that has said requirement. In fact, the rules for juice mixing in Indiana are now a heck of a lot more involved than even those for brewing beer or making wine. Needless to say, the juice makers are finding it difficult to impossible to meet the demands so they're closing up shop. Last I looked, there was a lawsuit filed. Most are convinced that it's a corrupted system at work.

I think/hope the law suit has strong grounds for overturning at least portions of the new law.

 

[The Ocelot]

It is a state license, with some pretty ridiculous requirements. For example, that security company has to have a trained fire door installation technician on staff for at least a year, thus the mention of a single security company in state that has said requirement. In fact, the rules for juice mixing in Indiana are now a heck of a lot more involved than even those for brewing beer or making wine. Needless to say, the juice makers are finding it difficult to impossible to meet the demands so they're closing up shop. Last I looked, there was a lawsuit filed. Most are convinced that it's a corrupted system at work.

I can't "like" your post, but thanks for the info.

 

[beckdg]

Most are convinced that it's a corrupted system at work.

Glass half full glasses...

"So THAT'S what it takes for MOST to see gooberment for what it is."



Tapatyped

 

[Bronze]

 

[ZeroedIn]

Great article: E-Cigarette Battery Hazards Minuscule and Overblown

The National Fire Protection Association has a few different numbers than the above article, but same idea, they state that in 2015 there were 15 e-cigarette explosions and fires reported in the media. 12 incidences required medical treatment. There were no deaths.

They report more fires in 2011 (this article is from 2013). They state that there were 17,600 house fires attributed to smoking materials (tobacco products/.........). There were 490 deaths and 1,370 injuries.

I've really fallen behind on this thread, but I'm trying to catch up.

So I followed the link to the NFPA.org web site, read the article abstract, and then sent the following message to their webmaster (webmaster@nfpa dot org).

Good morning.

While viewing the abstract for your article on the following page (NFPA - Electronic Cigarette Explosions and Fires: The 2015 Experience), I noted the following statement, "Five incidents resulted in fires, three of which occurred while users were in the act of smoking and two while batteries were being charged."

The act of using an electronic cigarette, or more properly, a personal vaporizer, is commonly known as vaping. The term "smoking" implies combustion and smoke. The use of personal vaporizers produces no smoke, and there is no combustion with the proper use of personal vaporizers.

Please pass this along within your organization, and please consider changing the language to more accurately reflect the nature of the act. The term is vaping, not smoking.

Thank you for your consideration.

 

[VNeil]

OK, I am going to put my flame-proof armor on and speak my mind.

Saying the "the FDA wants to kill me" is IMHO a sure fire way to get people to look at me like I am wearing a tinfoil hat. Whether it be true or not, the reaction that I will get from the vast majority is that I am a nutcase.

Really, I dont even believe anyone wants to kill me, I just believe they dont care. It is all about political and financial motivations, and my health is irrelevant.

I have been struggling with how to communicate this whole thing to non-smokers, non-informed vapers, etc. I honestly believe that as soon as I mention BT, or BP, or any of that, I become discredited as a conspiracy nut. The best angle I have been able to come up with is the "denial of my personal rights".

The problem I find is that if I don't explain the "follow the money, see the conspiracy angle", people will not believe me if I cannot explain WHY the gov't is supposedly lying about vaping, and how there is no actual evidence whatsoever that vaping is harmful. And in truth, there is no reasonable explanation for the behavior of the gov't and all the other ANTZ organizations like AHA, ALA, AMA without going into the money trail.

When I explain that the gov't is a 65+% partner in the tobacco industry, and they are protecting that $32 BILLION revenue stream, and how BP is trying to protect their multibillion dollar ineffective NRT product whose sales have fallen in half due to vaping, then most reasonable people start to understand it all makes sense. However, I live now in a mostly conservative community so it may be easier for me.

There are many people who believe gov't is virtuous, and they believe every 30 second sound bite on cable news is the Ultimate Truth. They are beyond hope and no strategy will work for them.

 

[crxess]

The Facts on the FDA's New Tobacco Rule

So which products can help me quit using tobacco?
The FDA has approved a variety of products as cessation aids to help reduce your dependence on nicotine. Products include nicotine gum, nicotine skin patches, nicotine lozenges, nicotine oral inhaled products, and nicotine nasal spray as well as non-nicotine medications called varenicline and bupropion.
Plugging Nicotine to reduce Nicotine cravings(dependency) as well as FDA Approved Drugs!

Germane

This rule allows the FDA to protect youth by restricting their access to tobacco products.
Every State can accomplish this through local Regulation without interference of Federal Regulators.

Social programming is the set of instructions each of us learned to fit in with society. Our family members, school teachers, and peer groups were all part of the socialization process. The long-term affect of this socialization is that we seek external approval and external goals in our lives. If we are to take control of our consciousness and pursue our own goals, we must learn to break free from social programming.

Vaping aside, Are we Lemmings?

 

[TVC70]

Another bumper sticker thought:

"Thank you for smoking" -FDA
"Dear Citizens of the USA, you are your most valuable when you are uninformed, smoking and sick." -FDA
"USB ports are tobacco products"
"You have been deemed"
One more:
"You are a tobacco product"

And may I just say these would make pretty good t-shirts as well.

How about: