Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[r055co]

Here it is in a nutshell as far as I'm concerned. Let's say vaping was proved to kill me in 5 years. I would be thankful for the heads up. But at the end of the day, it should be MY CHOICE. I have seen our freedom of choice fading year by year. Here is the kicker and we all know this. Our freedom of choice can be restored if the price is right. Absolutely disgusting. Speaking of the FDA. Has anyone heard about the blood clot filter that was approved? No doubt this approval was bought and paid for.

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Don't know 'bout you but I'm pretty much placing my confidence in the Royal Collage of Physicians which have been around since 1518 over the Bean Counters and Puppets of Big Pharma/Big tobacco of the FDA.

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[zoiDman]

One doesn't simply ignore a subpoena from the United States Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.

Well you Can.

But if you do, then that would give the Senate Sargent at Arms the Power to Physically take you from your Taxpayer Paid Desk and Escort you to the Subpenaing Committee.

U.S. Senate: Office of the Sergeant at Arms and Doorkeeper

God I would Love to See that happen to Burwell and Califf.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Really? A powerful senator putting on a show for an e-cig vendor? Any proof of that?



Yeah, it would be improper--without any evidence.



Let's just not? Unless we have proof?

UMM the CEO of Johnson creek met with him and is mentioned by Johnson.
Influenced for sure. How much and in what way is the only question.

 

[zoiDman]

Nope they should be representing the people overall not just a select few with money and influence.

that is the "For The People" part.

So are there No Vaper's who are Effected by the FDA's Actions in Michigan?

And what happens when Only a Small Percentage of a States Residents are the Ones who are Getting the Shaft by a Government Agency?

If the Majority of the Population is Unaffected by something, do we just Look the Other Way?

 

[Robert Cromwell]

So are there No Vaper's who are Effected by the FDA's Actions in Michigan?

And what happens when Only a Small Percentage of a States Residents are the Ones who are Getting the Shaft by a Government Agency?

If the Majority of the Population is Unaffected by something, do we just Look the Other Way?

It does seem to be the american way unless they have money.

 

[zoiDman]

I suspect he will lose his chair position without the majority backing in the full committee if he sends a subpoena on his own.
Posturing I think.

Who Say's he Doesn't have that Majority Right Now?

 

[r055co]

I suspect he will lose his chair position without the majority backing in the full committee if he sends a subpoena on his own.
Posturing I think.

Well if that is all it is he's going to really loose a lot of support IMO.

But let's see what he does, as I said the ball is now in his hands and the next move is his.

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[zoiDman]

It does seem to be the american way unless they have money.

Did you mean to say "Doesn't" ?

 

[skoony]

Anything is possible but I find it highly unlikely.
Maybe I should go buy a powerball ticket?

Ahh a possible fast forward 20 years and people suffering from vaping complications are screaming that the government should have told them. The big bad vaping industry did it to me!
Iza victim!

One possibility....

At worst it is a 50/50 proposition. Considering there isn't any preliminary indications
at this time even hinting at possible future complications I personally think the odds
are 80/20 in favor of no harm at all. Furthermore any harm at all will be in no way comparable
to smoking and more likely than not ended if one quits vaping. I do not think the it's to late
now scenario will be much of a factor.

Regards
mike

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Nope they should be representing the people overall not just a select few with money and influence.

that is the "For The People" part.

I would think that any Senator would be concerned when jobs are lost in their state. Especially if the result is caused by an over-reaching of any gov agency.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Who Say's he Doesn't have that Majority Right Now?

He has not issued a subpoena has he?

 

[zoiDman]

I would think that any Senator would be concerned when jobs are lost in their state. Especially if the result is caused by an over-reaching of any gov agency.

You would think so?

Or at least get you More than a Form Letter from your Rep when you write them.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

At worst it is a 50/50 proposition. Considering there isn't any preliminary indications
at this time even hinting at possible future complications I personally think the odds
are 80/20 in favor of no harm at all. Furthermore any harm at all will be in no way comparable
to smoking and more likely than not ended if one quits vaping. I do not think the it's to late
now scenario will be much of a factor.

Regards
mike

I can roll with that.

but I gots dry popcorn knuckles!

As I vape on

 

[zoiDman]

He has not issued a subpoena has he?

Gotta Ask for the Information First. That's the way the Game is Played.

They are All Supposed to be on the Same Team.

 

[r055co]

I would think that any Senator would be concerned when jobs are lost in their state. Especially if the result is caused by an over-reaching of any gov agency.

That's why I think that if all this was just posturing he'll loose a good amount of support and credibility with his constituents (I'm sure I borked that spelling up).

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[Robert Cromwell]

You would think so?

Or at least get you More than a Form Letter from your Rep when you write them.

Has anyone wrote letters to the rest of that committee?

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Gotta Ask for the Information First. That's the way the Game is Played.

They are All Supposed to be on the Same Team.

Now that is funny.
Supposed being the key word....
There are a myriad of agendas in our government.

Deal making for votes.
You get my son in law a job and I will support your bill and such thing are the most harmless of them. but all added together = big corruption.

 

[Katya]

UMM the CEO of Johnson creek met with him and is mentioned by Johnson.
Influenced for sure. How much and in what way is the only question.

I honestly don't understand what your problem with Sen. Johnson is. Seriously... We have all been asked to petition our lawmakers--vapers and businesses alike--and beg them to help save vaping. I did it, hopefully you did it also, so did Johnson Creek, CASAA, SFATA, AEMSA, etc... We have a right to petition the Government. Why are you insinuating that the Senator and/or Johnson Creek did something wrong????

Right to petition in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the United States the right to petition is guaranteed by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which specifically prohibits Congress from abridging "the right of the people...to petition the Government for a redress of grievances".

 

[Robert Cromwell]

I honestly don't understand what your problem with Sen. Johnson is. Seriously... We have all been asked to petition our lawmakers--vapers and businesses alike--and beg them to help save vaping. I did it, hopefully you did it also, so did Johnson Creek, CASAA, SFATA, AEMSA, etc... We have a right to petition the Government. Why are you insinuating that the Senator and/or Johnson Creek did something wrong????

Right to petition in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the United States the right to petition is guaranteed by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which specifically prohibits Congress from abridging "the right of the people...to petition the Government for a redress of grievances".

Ohh not saying that Johnson did anything wrong per sie. Just that he is not the holy saviour of vaping. He just happens to be on our side. within limits. I do not think he will issue a subpoena without the backing of his committee.

I understand far more about how politics actually works than I want to.
A some of us have a stronger petition than others.

 

[zoiDman]

Has anyone wrote letters to the rest of that committee?

I wrote a letter to Rand Paul.