Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

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is the product had to be physically within
the borders of the United States

I don't see that. The ad, promo would have to be, but not the product, itself. And the ad might have to be on a US internet site vs. say, a Chinese site - although even that would be up for interpretation.
 
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As a side thought it just occurred to me This is why they are laying off the raw
materials for now. They were all on the market back then and are virtually unchanged
to this day. This very well might prevent them from doing anything about them.
Thoughts?

That would make most of us ecstatic but...if the FDA can magically make computer software a tobacco product it should be a mere parlor trick to regulate nicotine.
 

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Is anyone Read the Letter from RJR(?) to the FDA Back when this All started

They Laid out the Deeming Regulations down to a T for the FDA

How did I/we miss this?

http://publichealthlawcenter.org/sites/default/files/resources/tclc-guide-reg-ecigarettes-2015.pdf

From your link...

"Policy Challenges

One of the most controversial issues affecting the regulation of electronic cigarettes has been the debate over their status as either drug delivery devices (e.g., smoking cessation) or tobacco products. The regulatory status of e-cigarettes was at the heart of litigation in 2010 between the FDA and e-cigarette manufacturers, most notably in Sottera Inc. v. Food & Drug Administration.44 Generally, the court in Sottera held that the FDA could not regulate e-cigarettes as drug delivery devices because they were not marketed for therapeutic purposes such as smoking cessation. However, the court held that the FDA could regulate them under its tobacco control authority, which led to the proposed deeming regulation discussed earlier. Under the Tobacco Control Act, the FDA has the authority to regulate “any product made or derived from tobacco that is intended for human consumption.” The brands of e-cigarettes being marketed most widely today generally contain nicotine extracted from tobacco.45 It is important to note, however, that any e-cigarettes that are neither made nor derived from tobacco would not be subject to the FDA’s regulatory authority."


Gee, I guess even the TCLC couldn't imagine how much of an Over-Reach the FDA would use when they wrote the Deeming Rule Set.
 

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Well, you're not the only one questioning this :- ) Here's Altria's 'comment letter' that deals in the same area.

http://www.altria.com/About-Altria/...tobacco-product-was-commercially-marketed.pdf

They are contesting the 'test market' wording - iow, test marketing is part of the 'commercially marketing' process, and they think 'test marketing' should be also exempted. Their wording points to your point, though - in Section II - "evidence of marketing efforts" which wouldn't include actual sales.

And even though Altria and numerous other companies are basically analyzing every word to figure out the exact meaning, they haven't tried to clarify the meaning of the term.
I will share their response here. Hopefully, a clear one!
 
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Agreed, but have a look at a Small part of Lobbying against Tobacco/e-cigarettes
Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids - Campaigning FDA/Congress
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http://www.tobaccofreekids.org/cont...regulatory/Letter_re_Deeming_Rule_4_13_16.pdf :grr:

Yeah... Kinda what I would Expect.

But It really Doesn't Matter if there are 10,000 Groups Lobbying for this and that. If the FDA has No Legal Authority over something, then they Can't Regulate it.

And there is Something Wrong with the Leadership/System when the SOP Approach is to just Do It. And then make the Courts tell you that you Can't.
 

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Yeah... Kinda what I would Expect.

But It really Doesn't Matter if there are 10,000 Groups Lobbying for this and that. If the FDA has No Legal Authority over something, then they Can't Regulate it.

And there is Something Wrong with the Leadership/System when the SOP Approach is to just Do It. And then make the Courts tell you that you Can't.

Agree 1,000,000% :sneaky:
 
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"Indian Tobacco" does have a Nicer sound than Pukeweed, Asthma Weed, Gagroot, or My Favorite... Vomitwort.

:lol:
Hmmm, maybe I have been inhaling the wrong stuff!

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Hmmm, maybe I have been inhaling the wrong stuff!

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From that link I posted: The FDA removed lobeline from the market because of lack of demonstrated efficacy as part of its OTC review process in 1993.

Too late, Mike! You're going to need a bigger freezer. :lol:
 
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From that link I posted: The FDA removed lobeline from the market because of lack of demonstrated efficacy as part of its OTC review process in 1993.

Too late, Mike! You're going to need a bigger freezer. :lol:
But, but, ..... You mean this ISN'T big enough?

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I just looked up what it looks like and found that I have it growing in 3 planters around my house. Oops! Pretty blue flowers. But, back on topic, sort of.........

I recieved another email from Senator Peters today, his staff must be really behind in sending out replies. Some quotes I pulled out:

"I supported legislation reauthorizing the FAA, which passed the Senate on April 19, 2016. The bill now awaits consideration by the House."

"I have heard from a number of Michiganders who are concerned about the proposed amendment regarding electronic cigarettes on airplanes. Senator Blumenthal offered an amendment that would have prohibited passengers from carrying electronic cigarettes in checked and carry-on baggage. While the Senate was debating the FAA reauthorization legislation, this amendment never came to a vote and was not included in the bill. Passengers may carry electronic cigarettes in carry-on luggage or on their person."

Fly with 'em if you got 'em...
 

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while back I emailed for a sample, I never got it,, but it appears I am added to their address book. anyone in Chicago able to attend? I would think Dupont would have at least a minor interest in the current e-cig state of affairs.

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lol....

I have 5 50ml bottles of the stuff, never used it, in the freezer :- )

I've got some growing in an Old planter box on my Patio.

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Its that Blue Stuff on the left next to the Big Red Mushroom.
 

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I should not have said he took money. That would be improper and off the record...
Lets just say he has been influenced by them.

Don't go spouting things you can't prove. Yes Jonsons Creek is just one of the influences as are other manufacturers as well as individual Vapers like me that contacted him.
 

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while back I emailed for a sample, I never got it,, but it appears I am added to their address book. anyone in Chicago able to attend? I would think Dupont would have at least a minor interest in the current e-cig state of affairs.

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Is this a DuPont Step toward eliminating PG or VG?
I ask because they Did this with Freon R-12 promoting a Fear mongering Scare of "Hole in Ozone" - When their Proprietary Patent Expired. Then they Introduced the Newly Patented R-134 Freon.(Single Molecule change):glare:
I was an unwitting part of that conspiracy:facepalm:
 
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This just in: The Nicopure (Halo) lawsuit and the Right to be Smokefree lawsuit have been merged into one case. The following tweet just showed up in my timeline.



Brittani Cushman ‏@BrittaniCushman
D.C. Circuit Judge Amy Berman Jackson issued order to consolidate Nicopure and Right to Be Smoke-Free cases #ecigs #deeming
 

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