Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Robert Cromwell]

Wouldn't it be fantastic if J&J were investigated, which might then lead to an investigation of RWJF and their support of anti vaping propaganda? Sometimes it's nice to dream.

Anti smoking groups would give them an award.

 

[rocketman29]

In England, employers are being told by the government that vapers should not be forced to vape in smoking areas

 

[VNeil]

In England, employers are being told by the government that vapers should not be forced to vape in smoking areas

This stops short of saying what needs to be said: if second hand smoke is truly harmful, and that is the basis for segregating smokers, then vapers should not be forced to endanger their health by being forced to associate with smokers. Vapers are people too, and deserve the same protection.

 

[beckdg]

Yeah, they're definitely not speedy. So, by the time there is guidance on how vapor products should be manufactured, they'll have the field whittled down to the 5 or 6 brands that they want to deal with, as those will be the ones likely to submit PMTA.

4 or 5

One will be granted by default when they host the process in house.

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

Will do. I plan on going in and checking up every couple of weeks. I can support a small supplies/batteries purchase every now and then from them to help out and disseminate info.

Unfortunately other than coils or batteries they do not have much of anything I am interested in. I am kinda set on mods and toppers for my natural lifetime at this point. You should have seen the look on his face when I whipped out my REO.

Edit: I think a grey haired old lady sub ohming on a mech squonker that he had never even heard of kinda messed with him. He genuinely though the Kanger dripbox / squonking was a new innovation in vaping.

[emoji38]

Tapatyped

 

[Woofer]

In England, employers are being told by the government that vapers should not be forced to vape in smoking areas

In a construction trade mag no less, excellent.
Here is a link to the actual government document.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...igarettes-in-public-places-and-workplaces.PDF

 

[rothenbj]

Apparently my worries are over and I don't need to stock up.
I drive by a local vape shop every time I go out, but never have
gone in to the store. I looked them up on FB and saw this posted,
so relieved (said sarcastically):

(Name) Vape Shop & Custom E Juice Inc. will be in business. We are in compliance with AEMSA. All registrations and PMTA's will be completed with the FDA. We are following all FDA guidelines and requirements. (Name) Vape Shop & Custom E Juice Inc. is dedicated to our employees and our customers!!

That almost sounds like someone believing their troubles are over because they sold everything they have and invested their profits into Mega Millions lottery tickets, sure that they'd win.

Do they understand that there is no guarantee that the FDA will approve anything?

 

[mcol]

That almost sounds like someone believing their troubles are over because they sold everything they have and invested their profits into Mega Millions lottery tickets, sure that they'd win.

Do they understand that there is no guarantee that the FDA will approve anything?

Not sure myself what to believe anymore but I do know that come August
things in the vaping world will never be the same ever again. I know
I had to change pretty quickly as I was totally content not rebuilding coils
and buying premade juice. Wondering if places are telling people this so
they won't go out and stock up on what they need thus eliminating the
middle guy and they can squeeze a few more months' sales out of all of us.
Hard to say.
Then others are expanding their business at the same time this is all going on.
Again, not sure what to believe anymore.

 

[oplholik]

It does get confusing doesn't it. The only way to be sure of what's going to happen, is to wait and see what happens.

 

[rosesense]

In case anyone missed this:

**HR 2058 - Cosponsors Added!**

Today, Representatives Cynthia Lummis (R-WY-At Large), Brad Ashford (D-NE-02), and Thomas MacArthur (R-NJ-03) added their names in support of HR 2058.

 

[Buckeyevapen]

^ That's great to hear!!

 

[Bronze]

In case anyone missed this:

**HR 2058 - Cosponsors Added!**

Today, Representatives Cynthia Lummis (R-WY-At Large), Brad Ashford (D-NE-02), and Thomas MacArthur (R-NJ-03) added their names in support of HR 2058.

That brings the total count to 68. 66 Republicans and 2 Democrats.

Cosponsors - H.R.2058 - 114th Congress (2015-2016): FDA Deeming Authority Clarification Act of 2015

 

[satchvai]

Still need a lot more to get on board. Congress moves soooo slow!

 

[YoursTruli]

I thought this was interesting......

Seven US Senators Question FDA on Final Rule –

"According to Cigar Rights of America on June 7, 2016, seven United States Senators – Senator Bill Nelson (D-FL), Senator Bob Casey (D-PA), Senator Jon Tester (D-MT), Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL), Senator Robert Menendez (D-NJ), Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV), and Senator James Inhofe (R-OK) – sent a letter to FDA Commissioner Dr. Robert Califf to express their concerns with the final rule that subjected premium cigars to regulation.

In the body of the letter, the seven Senators not only expressed their dismay with FDA’s decision, but they also posed, and are seeking answers, to questions as to how the FDA will manage and implement the provisions being subjected on the premium cigar industry. Their questions, can help build the case that the FDA is unprepared and ill advised to pursue regulations on premium and large cigars.

These senators and fourteen of their colleagues are co-sponsors of S. 441 which calls for an exemption from regulation for premium and large cigars.

To date, the letter has yet to be answered."

See? Democrats are against the FDA deeming too! ..............they still want to be able to buy their unregulated premium cigars but could care less if vaping gets sucked down the deeming rabbit hole.

 

[Shawn Hoefer]

Speaking of cigars and regulation, this little banner was up at the local gas station... right at eye level for kids and car passengers...

Note all the flavors...

Meanwhile, the vaping banner - with no real brands a knowledgeable or seasoned vaper would typically use - made virtually no mention of flavors, and was posted way up high where it was hard to see and nearly impossible to read. I say virtually no mention of flavors... one who had used Blu or Vuse before would recognize the color coded cart boxes...

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[Kent C]

co-sponsors of S. 441

Cosponsors - S.441 - 114th Congress (2015-2016): Traditional Cigar Manufacturing and Small Business Jobs Preservation Act of 2015

 

[Str8vision]

Although many don't realize it the FDA's deeming regs also apply to pipe tobacco and cigars the same as it does vaping. Many of the "better" premium pipe tobaccos and cigars are custom, limited quantity manufacturing runs produced by small specialty companies. Unfortunately, these include most of my favorite tobaccos for making NETs (Naturally extracted tobacco). The deeming regs will likely drive many "premium" tobaccos from the U.S. market the same way it closes many e-liquid vendors, outrageous cost. As with vaping, BT stands to profit from the aftermath by filling the vacuum left.

 

[Rossum]

Although many don't realize it the FDA's deeming regs also apply to pipe tobacco and cigars the same as it does vaping. Many of the "better" premium pipe tobaccos and cigars are custom, limited quantity manufacturing runs produced by small specialty companies. Unfortunately, these include most of my favorite tobaccos for making NETs (Naturally extracted tobacco). The deeming regs will likely drive many "premium" tobaccos from the U.S. market the same way it closes many e-liquid vendors, outrageous cost. As with vaping, BT stands to profit from the aftermath by filling the vacuum left.

Yes, and I imagine the artisan pipe makers are in the same boat as our artisan mod-makers.

 

[YoursTruli]

Cosponsors - S.441 - 114th Congress (2015-2016): Traditional Cigar Manufacturing and Small Business Jobs Preservation Act of 2015

To amend the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act to clarify the Food and Drug Administration’s jurisdiction over certain tobacco products, and to protect jobs and small businesses involved in the sale, manufacturing and distribution of
traditional and premium cigars.
^^E-Liquids and handcrafted gear^^
What they are proposing to exempt and why pretty much mirrors much of the vaping industry, yet...

 

[rothenbj]

Although many don't realize it the FDA's de
eming regs also apply to pipe tobacco and cigars the same as it does vaping. Many of the "better" premium pipe tobaccos and cigars are custom, limited quantity manufacturing runs produced by small specialty companies. Unfortunately, these include most of my favorite tobaccos for making NETs (Naturally extracted tobacco). The deeming regs will likely drive many "premium" tobaccos from the U.S. market the same way it closes many e-liquid vendors, outrageous cost. As with vaping, BT stands to profit from the aftermath by filling the vacuum left.

Yeah, and I wonder how the PMTAs will work for pipes and equivalencies. Will they have to prove each one has an equivalent design made of the same raw materials in the same size and will there have to be warnings on every pipe, even the ones that obviously were not meant for smoking tobacco that they are a tobacco product? Will humidors need to go through FDA approval as they may affect the toxicity level of the tobacco product the contain?