Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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Okay I thought they said it was official, it was on the news here a while ago, I guess I misunderstood.
KAS
Okay I thought they said it was official, it was on the news here a while ago, I guess I misunderstood.
KAS
Not official at all however it looks like the news is right (for once)
as Pence flew out to Manhattan today.
I guess I am programmed to think vaping nic. It never dawned on me that
he'd be talking about other stuff.
Yeah he's gotten a bit weird after he no longer was the Governor of NM.
NExt time, @Bronze, I won't use the quote feature. The way I use the quote feature, and this may be wrong, is that if somebody says something I want to talk about more, and it has stuff in it that I want to REFER to, I use quote.
I will just make a new post next time, because my reply really wasn't directed at *you*.
I guess I can't relate that much to people who don't do anything about the things they believe in. I know they are out there, but my own social circle doesn't contain people like that (apathetic people). It is what it is though, and I have always just accepted that because to do otherwise is to have an expectation that will only bring disappointment.
I can't like that. The ultimate nightmare. That being said, I am highly disappointed in the vp selection. It makes absolutely no sense to me.
He made his selection several hours ago. Trump asked Pence, Pence accepted. It just hasn't been "officially" announced yet.
Republicans are also responsible for the Vape law that is decimating Pennsylvania vape Shops. So it's both parties
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There is too much regulation for some things and not enough for others. I don't think there has to be overreach to accomplish workable regulations for the humane treatment of animals. We need more laws based on ethics and fewer based on morals.
I have done some animal rescue, but I have not seen what you have seen, nor am I ever likely to. I couldn't handle it. I so admire those who can and get to the most desperate cases. But I'd rather donate to a no-kill shelter than to see my dollars frittered away by irresponsible politicians.
I was talking to my wife the other night about regulations in general and this thought came to mind:
Governments get into trouble when they try and regulate a behavior in order to increase their control of a populous or increase treasure.
There are many examples in the world today not only in this country but around the world.
When a non vaper asks me about vaping I spend 30 seconds on how it helped me quit and PHE and the RCofP study, urge them to read it and then I spend the next 15 minutes asking them about what they are passionate about using it as an illustration of what it would feel like if that hobby or personal choice were "deemed". This tends to cause a violent understanding of what the super issue is: governments addiction to control and our money, Bill of Rights be damned.
Every time I have used this method they respond by saying; "I will never vape, but I will help you fight this."
My point being, a recent study found there are about 2.7 million vapers in this country. I dare say that there are over 150 million people (at least) who care about their rights to make informed decisions about their life, hobbies and health. Government stay out of my behavior. If a behavior is unethical than write a law saying so. I.e. Murder, unethical and illegal.
The government cares about our money not our health, not our rights, our money. That's how you get this thing to go nuclear. (Woke up early and I have had a lot of coffee. Prayers for all of the families in morning in France.) sigh.
Governments get into trouble when they try and regulate a behavior in order to increase their control of a populous or increase treasure.
There are many examples in the world today not only in this country but around the world.
When a non vaper asks me about vaping I spend 30 seconds on how it helped me quit and PHE and the RCofP study, urge them to read it and then I spend the next 15 minutes asking them about what they are passionate about using it as an illustration of what it would feel like if that hobby or personal choice were "deemed". This tends to cause a violent understanding of what the super issue is: governments addiction to control and our money, Bill of Rights be damned.
Every time I have used this method they respond by saying; "I will never vape, but I will help you fight this."
My point being, a recent study found there are about 2.7 million vapers in this country. I dare say that there are over 150 million people (at least) who care about their rights to make informed decisions about their life, hobbies and health. Government stay out of my behavior. If a behavior is unethical than write a law saying so. I.e. Murder, unethical and illegal.
The government cares about our money not our health, not our rights, our money. That's how you get this thing to go nuclear. (Woke up early and I have had a lot of coffee. Prayers for all of the families in morning in France.) sigh.
I just copied this from another post,i am sat here in disbelief. Sad,sad day.
All of us here in PA are hurting today. This is a well crafted guillotine designed to kill the industry and all use of vaping supplies in any fashion.
In fact, even supplies that you have in your own possession in PA, regardless of when you bought them, may be covered:
Section 1207-A. Sales or possession of tobacco product when tax
not paid.
(a) Sales or possession.--Any person who sells or possesses
any tobacco product for which the proper tax has not been paid
commits a summary offense and shall, upon conviction, be
sentenced to pay costs of prosecution and a fine of not less
than $100 nor more than $1,000 or to imprisonment for not more
than 60 days, or both, at the discretion of the court. Any
tobacco products purchased from a wholesaler properly licensed
under this article shall be presumed to have the proper taxes
paid.
(b) Tax evasion.--Any person that shall falsely or
fraudulently, maliciously, intentionally or willfully with
intent to evade the payment of the tax imposed by this article
sells or possesses any tobacco product for which the proper tax
has not been paid commits a felony and shall, upon conviction,
be sentenced to pay costs of prosecution and a fine of not more
than $5,000 or to imprisonment for not more than five years, or
both, at the discretion of the court.
So, if you're walking around with a bottle of juice you've had for years, or DIY? Apparently, it's up to a 5 year prison sentence.
So lets say you CAN find a vendor who meets all criteria, and you get some liquid from them, paying a price that'll cover the extra taxes... wait, you lost the receipt??
Section 1214-A. Failure to furnish information, returning false
information or failure to permit inspection.
(a) Penalty.--Any taxpayer who fails to keep or make any
record, return, report, inventory or statement, or keeps or
makes any false or fraudulent record, return, report, inventory
or statement required by this article commits a misdemeanor and
shall, upon conviction, be sentenced to pay costs of prosecution
and a fine of $500 and to imprisonment for not more than one
year, or both, at the discretion of the court.
Prison time, again. It should say retailer, or wholesaler, but it doesn't. This entire section of law makes it clear that these rules all apply to individual persons as well, not just the businesses or their representatives.
"Unclassified importer." A consumer who purchases tobacco
products using the Internet or mail order catalogs for personal
possession or use in this Commonwealth from persons that are not
licensed.
...
1202-A (c) Unclassified importer.--The tax is imposed on an
unclassified importer at the time of purchase at the same rate
as in subsections (a) and (a.1) based on the unclassified
importer's purchase price of the tobacco products. The
unclassified importer shall remit the tax to the department
All of us here in PA are hurting today. This is a well crafted guillotine designed to kill the industry and all use of vaping supplies in any fashion.
In fact, even supplies that you have in your own possession in PA, regardless of when you bought them, may be covered:
Section 1207-A. Sales or possession of tobacco product when tax
not paid.
(a) Sales or possession.--Any person who sells or possesses
any tobacco product for which the proper tax has not been paid
commits a summary offense and shall, upon conviction, be
sentenced to pay costs of prosecution and a fine of not less
than $100 nor more than $1,000 or to imprisonment for not more
than 60 days, or both, at the discretion of the court. Any
tobacco products purchased from a wholesaler properly licensed
under this article shall be presumed to have the proper taxes
paid.
(b) Tax evasion.--Any person that shall falsely or
fraudulently, maliciously, intentionally or willfully with
intent to evade the payment of the tax imposed by this article
sells or possesses any tobacco product for which the proper tax
has not been paid commits a felony and shall, upon conviction,
be sentenced to pay costs of prosecution and a fine of not more
than $5,000 or to imprisonment for not more than five years, or
both, at the discretion of the court.
So, if you're walking around with a bottle of juice you've had for years, or DIY? Apparently, it's up to a 5 year prison sentence.
So lets say you CAN find a vendor who meets all criteria, and you get some liquid from them, paying a price that'll cover the extra taxes... wait, you lost the receipt??
Section 1214-A. Failure to furnish information, returning false
information or failure to permit inspection.
(a) Penalty.--Any taxpayer who fails to keep or make any
record, return, report, inventory or statement, or keeps or
makes any false or fraudulent record, return, report, inventory
or statement required by this article commits a misdemeanor and
shall, upon conviction, be sentenced to pay costs of prosecution
and a fine of $500 and to imprisonment for not more than one
year, or both, at the discretion of the court.
Prison time, again. It should say retailer, or wholesaler, but it doesn't. This entire section of law makes it clear that these rules all apply to individual persons as well, not just the businesses or their representatives.
"Unclassified importer." A consumer who purchases tobacco
products using the Internet or mail order catalogs for personal
possession or use in this Commonwealth from persons that are not
licensed.
...
1202-A (c) Unclassified importer.--The tax is imposed on an
unclassified importer at the time of purchase at the same rate
as in subsections (a) and (a.1) based on the unclassified
importer's purchase price of the tobacco products. The
unclassified importer shall remit the tax to the department
PA is just ahead of the curve, this type of legislation will effect most Americans in a few years time. The 40% tax is just the starting point, over the next ten years it will double or triple. Deeming that vaping is "tobacco" and regulating it has always been about the money, not health or safety.
Laws are rarely retroactive unless explicitly stating so. Items currently in your possession should be just fine, but I'd be sure and have/keep a copy of the invoice showing the actual purchase date to be safe. I recommend doing this because regardless of what Americans have been lead to believe, you -ARE- basically guilty as charged in our "justice" system unless you can prove your innocence beyond a reasonable doubt. That's how it really works.
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