Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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holes just appeared for the day?
Oliver, the founder of ecf is quoted in this article
E-cigarette makers rush new products to market ahead of US rules | Fox News
E-cigarette makers rush new products to market ahead of US rules | Fox News
That is an pretty powerful part to be leaving out. Wonder is it intentional?I've already found one statement on an updated page that contradicts what's in their own compliance charts on their website.They say that being an importer makes you a manufacturer BUT what they conveniently leave out on the updated page is that an importer is only a manufacturer IF the importer changes packaging or otherwise changes the container, wrappers or labeling.
Better believe it is.
Oliver, the founder of ecf is quoted in this article
E-cigarette makers rush new products to market ahead of US rules | Fox News
I checked out the Mistic Pod-mod mentioned in the article. Sealed 10ml replaceable tank/.25 ohm atomizer for $20 that goes into a 1700mah battery set at 30 watts.
$20 for 10mls...and this is before taxes are figured out down the road. The strength of the juice is "4mg". I'm not sure what that means. Are they saying 4mg total in 10mls or 4mg/ml? I assume the latter. Seems like a big ripoff to me.
Not really sure, but I think its 4mg total. I saw a similar type of setup where they said a whole pack of real cigarettes was just 18mg or 24mg. That figures out to be around 1ml ish per cigarette. So I think they are trying to imitate the real thing.
And another thing I noticed recently was a pack of cigarettes. I haven't looked at one since I made the switch and was surprised to see how little is written on the pack. They don't even have the mg listed anywhere. What's up with that?
BG Hijacking Vaping for these overpriced little nicotine pods is going to guarantee a Black Market for mods and eLiquid.
Interesting times ahead.
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Interesting times ahead.
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Probably so. Except it won't really matter. The number of people willing to put the effort in to mixing their own juice, building their own coils, and tracking down all the bits and pieces we like to play with is tiny compared to the millions of smokers who may try to transition to those closed system cigalikes. BT already knows the folks using open vape systems are unlikely to ever to back to their closed products, but that still leaves all those current smokers looking for a replacement.
There might be another unintended consequence to this quashing of the open vape system. By demonizing vaping to the degree currently occurring, a lot of smokers may never even go to those closed systems either, as why bother if it's just as bad for you? For BT, this is a win/win situation.
Your post plays into the heart of a long-standing debate here...
Some say the goal has been to destroy vaping.
And hand the remains of the market over to Big Tobacco.
And some say the goal has been to tax vaping to make up for cigarette tax shortfalls.
I've been in the former group all along.
But the lady with extended girth has not yet belted out any tunes.
(I hope that was PC enough)
I think both are correct. By handing the whole mess over to BT means it will be far easier to tax sales. No need to debate how much money for how many mls, no need to inspect thousands of businesses to assure safe and proper preparation of juice. Everything centralized with only a few manufacturers to monitor compliance, and easy collection of tax revenue without licensing thousands of vape stores to make sure the Departments of Revenue know who to collect the money from. The gas stations and 7 11's are already set up for it, so no big hit on their business. If anything, improving it with increased cigalike sales. The positions are really complimentary.
It's such a beautiful thing when Businesses and Regulators can come together for the good of public health.
You really have to give the credit to gov't regulators because without regulation, no such beautiful thing can happen.
What's even more galling is their apparent indifference to the interests and wishes of the mass of people who will be most directly affected, i.e., us. On those rare occasions when they do acknowledge that not everybody is wildly enthusiastic about what they're doing to us, it's always in the passive voice and we're never identified, e.g.:This banner makes me laugh. Grounded in science? Really? It should say "completely ignored science".
"It has been suggested that some users of ENDS may revert to smoking if certain products fail to secure approval via the PMTA process. However, we have not been presented with any double blind, controlled clinical trials which reliably demonstrate that such an effect, if it should occur, will be significant at a population level."
I completely made that up, but it's not materially different from the crap they spew.
If the goal was to wipe vaping from existence they would have easily done it a long time ago. That would be foolish there is way too much money to be made vaping is almost as profitable as smoking at this point.
They know they're in this for the long haul and there is plenty of money to be made, question is how can they squeeze as much as possible and give that money to the right people without turning everyone over to a black market. That's what they're trying to figure out or attempting to execute at this point.
Frankly, anyone not using age verification will not be in business for very long. FDA has long been known to have geared up to do test purchases both in B&M and online. And guess which is easier?
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