Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[DC2]

You all know what will happen dont you? On the urge of BP the FDA will make nic illegal to own by the general public, theeeen, after more research, trials, etc, BP will introduce a nic pill that will be touted as the latest Alzheimers go-to drug and charge a ton of money for it.

I've been saying this for years.
I see it as the end game that the powers that be are aiming for.

The list of possible applications for a nicotine-based drug is a lot longer than that...

--Alzheimer's
--Parkinson's
--Tourette's Syndrome
--ADHD
--Ulcerative Colitis
--Some others I am forgetting

Wouldn't surprise me if schizophrenia is eventually added to the list.
And maybe some other mental illnesses.

 

[Shawn Hoefer]

The list of possible applications for a nicotine-based drug is a lot longer than that...

--Alzheimer's
--Parkinson's
--Tourette's Syndrome
--ADHD
--Ulcerative Colitis
--Some others I am forgetting

Wouldn't surprise me if schizophrenia is eventually added to the list.
And maybe some other mental illnesses.

The FDA could use some schizophrenia treatment. "We're here to help! Keep smoking and die."

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[Alexander Mundy]

Anyone like antimicrobial soap? (I don't personally because I think i need to be exposed to a moderate amount of germs to keep my system active) If you do like it though, too bad. The FDA says it hasn't been proven to be effective. Sound familiar?

Federal Register | Safety and Effectiveness of Consumer Antiseptics; Topical Antimicrobial Drug Products for Over-the-Counter Human Use

 

[Alexander Mundy]

Any good links to extraction processes that wont blow up the garage?

Anarchist cookbook IIRC. Don't remember about the garage though, been awhile since I browsed it.

 

[classwife]

Anyone like antimicrobial soap? (I don't personally because I think i need to be exposed to a moderate amount of germs to keep my system active) If you do like it though, too bad. The FDA says it hasn't been proven to be effective. Sound familiar?

Federal Register | Safety and Effectiveness of Consumer Antiseptics; Topical Antimicrobial Drug Products for Over-the-Counter Human Use

and wasn't it about 10 years ago or so that they said the antimicrobial soaps we making us sick because they killed off the 'good bugs' too ?

 

[BuGlen]

and wasn't it about 10 years ago or so that they said the antimicrobial soaps we making us sick because they killed off the 'good bugs' too ?

It's not just "killing the good germs", but also over sterilizing your environment keeps your system from developing important antibodies that keep you healthy. I wouldn't be surprised if other immune deficiency issues plague 1st world nations sometime in the not too distant future.

 

[r055co]

It's not just "killing the good germs", but also over sterilizing your environment keeps your system from developing important antibodies that keep you healthy. I wouldn't be surprised if other immune deficiency issues plague 1st world nations sometime in the not too distant future.

Yep, just travel outside of the United States, eat the food, drink the water and you'll experience it first hand.

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[Kent C]

I've been saying this for years.
I see it as the end game that the powers that be are aiming for.

The list of possible applications for a nicotine-based drug is a lot longer than that...

--Alzheimer's
--Parkinson's
--Tourette's Syndrome
--ADHD
--Ulcerative Colitis
--Some others I am forgetting

Wouldn't surprise me if schizophrenia is eventually added to the list.
And maybe some other mental illnesses.

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Dementia, schizophrenia,
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[seminolewind]

This was copied as stated from the Director FDA's Center of tobacco products:

It's unclear, the FDA official says, if [Other Stuff] "vape pens" that look and function like e-cigarettes would be covered by the new regulations. "The FDA does not have regulatory authority over products to be used in conjunction with [Other Stuff]," he says."If it doesn't meet the ['made or derived from tobacco'] statutory definition of 'tobacco product' we would not have that authority. If it meets the definition of a tobacco product, we have authority to regulate it only as a tobacco product."

He brushes off concern about black market sales.

"We have a very effective office of compliance and enforcement that will be monitoring and conducting surveillance to detect any kind of illegal activity in the marketplace," he says. "I have no idea what the likelihood is for a black market, but if that happens we'll find it and those products, if they haven't received marketing authorization from FDA, would be in violation of the law."
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I just love this part. They state it but don't practice it. Did someone tell them that all vapers don't even have a high school education?


."If it doesn't meet the ['made or derived from tobacco'] statutory definition of 'tobacco product' we would not have that authority. If it meets the definition of a tobacco product, we have authority to regulate it only as a tobacco product."

 

[Semiretired]

Now I am really confused...

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

This was copied as stated from the Director FDA's Center of Tobacco products:

It's unclear, the FDA official says, if [Other Stuff] "vape pens" that look and function like e-cigarettes would be covered by the new regulations. "The FDA does not have regulatory authority over products to be used in conjunction with [Other Stuff]," he says."If it doesn't meet the ['made or derived from tobacco'] statutory definition of 'tobacco product' we would not have that authority. If it meets the definition of a tobacco product, we have authority to regulate it only as a tobacco product."

He brushes off concern about black market sales.

"We have a very effective office of compliance and enforcement that will be monitoring and conducting surveillance to detect any kind of illegal activity in the marketplace," he says. "I have no idea what the likelihood is for a black market, but if that happens we'll find it and those products, if they haven't received marketing authorization from FDA, would be in violation of the law."
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I just love this part. They state it but don't practice it. Did someone tell them that all vapers don't even have a high school education?


."If it doesn't meet the ['made or derived from tobacco'] statutory definition of 'tobacco product' we would not have that authority. If it meets the definition of a tobacco product, we have authority to regulate it only as a tobacco product."

The vape pens more closely resemble the use of a tobacco product in that they both are leaves that burn. More similar than with ecigs imo.

 

[seminolewind]

If I carried my vaping device in a baby carriage, would that be tobacco related? No wait, the FDA Director says it has to be "made or derived from tobacco" That narrows it down to nicotine. Pure and simple.

 

[seminolewind]

Today I explained this whole situation to a friend who does not vape or know what's in a vape. She almost fell off her horse! She said "The FDA can do that?" I told her what's in the liquid. She says what about flavor. I said food flavoring-pick any one you like including bacon. As I'm telling her all this I'm feeling really foolish, like she's looking at me like I'm making this stuff up. No I'm not.

Then she brought up some regulations about "grandfathering" have something to do with the date of deeming the regulation, not the date 2007. I don't know I'll have to look into it.

I do feel foolish telling a non vaping person this. It does sound like a made up story. Liquid with 0 nicotine is tobacco derived or made from tobacco? This is like jibberish. If I were on the outside looking in, I swear I'd be waiting for the punch line.

 

[Semiretired]

If I were on the outside looking in, I swear I'd be waiting for the punch line.

I'm still waiting for someone to say "April Fools"...

 

[seminolewind]

It does sound like April Fool's. I can't believe that grown up educated people come out with this garbage. The only thing worse than this is someone's missing emails .

 

[oplholik]

This is what happens when you are paid by one industry to stifle another. Anything goes to get it done.

 

[Buckeyevapen]

This is what happens when you are paid by one industry to stifle another. Anything goes to get it done.

This is also what happens when you try to regulate a piece of technology as if it were a plant.

 

[DC2]

This is also what happens when you try to regulate a piece of technology as if it were a plant.

Or a plant as if it were a piece of technology.

 

[classwife]

I'm still waiting for someone to say "April Fools"...

The absurdity is mind boggling !

 

[Racehorse]

I doubt I ever would have smoked if they cost that much here. Down here in the south it's only like 35-40 a carton for premiums and as low as 20 a carton for cheap stuff. Back when I was smoking I'd buy two cartons of american spirits about every three weeks for 78.91 all in

American Spirits was "my" brand too.
They are about $7.30 a pack here now. Still probably cheaper than a lot of places.

I live in small town. The cig store here has a full parking lot, all hours of the day and evening. When the prices went up it didn't seem to stop anybody....and this is a depressed economy town. They ARE going to buy their cigs.

They sell vape gear there, too, but really, not many people ever buy any. There is one lady behind the counter who vapes. She said they don't sell much eliquid. Which is strange, since it's been a full year since AR passed the law that you can't order eliquid online. So, there really aren't many vapers here because there is only one store to buy eliquid at.....and they aren't selling any.

If it came up even on a very local ballot, it would not even register a blip on radar screen.

I think because this is a vaping forum, people over-estimate the strength of the "issues" with vaping. A very small % of the US population even cares about this stuff. Sad but true.

Perhaps if they make it easier and more idiot proof, it would become more mainstream.