Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[gerrymi]

I think there are a lot of easy to use systems out there that would get 85% of smokers to quit.
Think Ego Twist with a little, reliable, easy-to-fill tank

Agree DC2...simple and easy (for beginners) is the way to go...

Awhile back I was visiting my (40yo) son...(who has never shown an interest in my vaping and has never even tried an analog)...

He started telling me about all the research he had run across (as an R.N...to advise his smoking patients) that not only was nicotine harmless (when not associated with the other 4000 chemicals in tobacco smoke)...but also that nicotine is the only substance (so far) to be shown to prevent/delay the onset of Alzheimer's/senile dementia.

[I already knew all this...we have a family history of Alzheimer's and it's one of the reasons I vape...but he was having so much fun informing me of his new discoveries that I just sat there and listened.]

I ended up giving him 2 of my eGo AIO's...we hit a local B&M and got 2 different ejuice flavors (3mg. nicotine) that he liked...and he was off and running...

After a year => simple and easy => eGo AIO => he's still "loving" vaping...

Joyetech eGo AIO Kit (D16 D19 D22)


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[Semiretired]

Give them time, I'm sure that they are trying. Tesla uses 18650's in their battery banks, that's a Tobacco product. Plug your mod in to change in the car, the car is a tobacco product, etc etc

That means that every house in the U.S. that has a set of batteries charged in it is a tobacco product...

 

[r055co]

That means that every house in the U.S. that has a set of batteries charged in it is a tobacco product...

Thus another goal of the FDA

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[gt_1955]

Yep, that's what a lot did. You'll see a few things come on the market in the next couple of months (maybe). But everything has effectively been halted, even updates to address safety issues ...

... in the USA. Updates, in particular software updates would still be available to the rest of the world (and therefore indirectly to residents of the USA).

Hardware updates/new releases also will be available to the rest of the world, and while the total market will be smaller than what it was prior to the 8th Aug, demand is still there and manufacturers (even states based ones) will fill it.

And you would hope that eventually, these would once again be made available to you guys.

 

[skoony]

As long as it was available or advertised prior to August 8th, it doesn't fall under the "new tech" rules. Now, if there was absolutely on mention of the product anywhere before the 8th, then it's likely they'd be in hot water if the FDA looked at things.

Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't available mean on hand ready for sale?
IMHO pre-sale,prior advertising or,go fund me projects do not mean available on the market.
As much as I hate the phrase "what a reasonable person would assume" because the FDA
loves it so much I think whatever the product was it would have to be in physical form for sale prior
to 08/08/2016 for one to reasonably assume it meets the FDA requirement. Even if it was
just one unit sold and the rest went on back order should be sufficient. My reasoning is
considering the pre-sale fiasco's from the past,if a product is in a category with out any
guarantee it will even leave production and get to the market how can one claim it was
on the market? At best it could be said it was advertised to be on the market at a future
date but,you can pay for it now. I am sure the FDA means that date means prior to 08/08/2016.

Regards
mike

 

[halfempty]

Give them time, I'm sure that they are trying. Tesla uses 18650's in their battery banks, that's a Tobacco product. Plug your mod in to change in the car, the car is a tobacco product, etc etc

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Let me see if I have this right. I plugged my mod into the car last week, so now my car is a tobacco product. This week I plugged my phone into the car, so now my phone is a tobacco product?

I was planning to change the oil in my car next week, but then I would be a manufacturer. [emoji79]

 

[Burnie]

Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't available mean on hand ready for sale?
IMHO pre-sale,prior advertising or,go fund me projects do not mean available on the market.
As much as I hate the phrase "what a reasonable person would assume" because the FDA
loves it so much I think whatever the product was it would have to be in physical form for sale prior
to 08/08/2016 for one to reasonably assume it meets the FDA requirement. Even if it was
just one unit sold and the rest went on back order should be sufficient. My reasoning is
considering the pre-sale fiasco's from the past,if a product is in a category with out any
guarantee it will even leave production and get to the market how can one claim it was
on the market? At best it could be said it was advertised to be on the market at a future
date but,you can pay for it now. I am sure the FDA means that date means prior to 08/08/2016.

Regards
mike

Most all products have Beta Testers, not just vape products, which if only ONE was sold to a tester for $.01 prior to 08/08/2016, I am thinking it would qualify, even if 1000+ more were on pre-order, just my thought.

 

[r055co]

Most all products have Beta Testers, not just vape products, which if only ONE was sold to a tester for $.01 prior to 08/08/2016, I am thinking it would qualify, even if 1000+ more were on pre-order, just my thought.

That's how a lot are reading into it. Problem is that the FDA themselves don't have a clue, since big Pharma wrote the regulations we should ask them

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[Mazinny]

The agent's and wholesale dealers' cuts would be in there as well. RJR, like many corporations, make money on volume and they also sell to other countries where that 'line' of agents, dealers and taxes is much different.

Actually no, the agents and dealers' cuts are not part of the agents costs ( how can your profit be part of your cost ? ), they are realized further down the revenue stream.

Yes, i realize they sell in large volume and in different countries ; that doesn't change the fact that the 30 cent to 60 cent number the RJR guy cited to you, is bogus.

What tobacco comapnies sell their cigarettes for is not a big secret, they are publicly traded companies. I already linked their list price in NY state. Here are Altria's own latest announced numbers :

For the first six months of 2016, they shipped 61b sticks of cigarettes, that's 3.05b packs. Net revenue ( after all discounts and promotions and excise tax payments ) was $ 8.15b. That averages out to $ 2.67 a pack, across all brands. That is what Altria made from the sale of each pack, it does not include any federal, state or local taxes, nor the agent, wholesaler or retailers cut.

Altria Reports 2016 Second-Quarter and First-Half Results; Raises Full-Year Earnings Guidance | Business Wire

ETA : interesting that Altria announced plans to submit a PMTA ( and modified risk product ! ) later this year for their heat-not-burn tobacco product, but no mention of filing for their ecig.

Innovative Tobacco Products


In e-vapor, Nu Mark, LLC (NuMark) continued its disciplined expansion of MarkTen XL based on encouraging consumer and marketplace results. MarkTen XL is now available in stores representing approximately 50% of e-vapor category volume in mainstream retail channels, including convenience stores. On the heated tobacco platform, Altria continues to work with Philip Morris International Inc. (PMI) on PMI’s applications for pre-market authorization and a modified risk tobacco product claim and preparations remain on track for submission to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) by the end of 2016. Altria continues to develop its marketing and U.S. commercialization plans.

 

[mikepetro]

Most all products have Beta Testers, not just vape products, which if only ONE was sold to a tester for $.01 prior to 08/08/2016, I am thinking it would qualify, even if 1000+ more were on pre-order, just my thought.

This was sold on 8/7/16 and the sale was captured on a very public Face site. No new production has been made on them...... yet.

 

[Bea-FL]

but also that nicotine is the only substance (so far) to be shown to prevent/delay the onset of Alzheimer's/senile dementia.

Good to know. I too have Alzheimers in my family. Not that I need to justify why I dont ever plan to quit vaping but it's goid reinforcement if I ever need it..

BTW do you have a link for that research?

 

[Robino1]

Good to know. I too have Alzheimers in my family. Not that I need to justify why I dont ever plan to quit vaping but it's goid reinforcement if I ever need it..

BTW do you have a link for that research?

Here's one: Nicotine | Alzheimer’s Drug Discovery Foundation
An article: Study finds nicotine safe, helps in Alzheimer's, Parkinson's
The link to my google search: Google

shows a bunch of articles.

 

[Bea-FL]

Let me see if I have this right. I plugged my mod into the car last week, so now my car is a tobacco product. This week I plugged my phone into the car, so now my phone is a tobacco product?

I was planning to change the oil in my car next week, but then I would be a manufacturer. [emoji79]

Well by definition…ummm, that's about right.

 

[Bea-FL]

Here's one: Nicotine | Alzheimer’s Drug Discovery Foundation
An article: Study finds nicotine safe, helps in Alzheimer's, Parkinson's
The link to my google search: Google

shows a bunch of articles.

You all know what will happen dont you? On the urge of BP the FDA will make nic illegal to own by the general public, theeeen, after more research, trials, etc, BP will introduce a nic pill that will be touted as the latest Alzheimers go-to drug and charge a ton of money for it.

 

[seminolewind]

Yep. Carton of Camels used to cost me 2 bucks in the Commissary when I first joined back in the late 70s.

Yea as a teenager in Germany (USAF) and a commissary and ration card, I remember buying Marboros for $1.25 a Carton during a Marboro sale. Go figure.

 

[Robino1]

You all know what will happen dont you? On the urge of BP the FDA will make nic illegal to own by the general public, theeeen, after more research, trials, etc, BP will introduce a nic pill that will be touted as the latest Alzheimers go-to drug and charge a ton of money for it.

Absolutely. It will become a drug that will only be allowed to be sold to drug companies. Thereby they won't have to go after it for vaping. It will no longer be available to the general public. It will become a scheduled drug.

I can see it happening.....

 

[seminolewind]

Nicotine didn't addict me to smoking. My peers did.

 

[seminolewind]

I don't think the government can regulate anything without consequences, tubes of glass, wire coil, any thing bought in Radio Shack, non-nicotine liquid, batteries. Really, anything here are MOL common products. They could regulate nicotine because it's a drug and addictive. However if they do, it's going to give the FDA heart failure. I think they are not aware of the consequences they are creating.

If I carry all my parts in my makeup bag all separate, and zero nicotine , what will I be arrested for? And I could throw in a pack of cigarettes in my bag and really confuse them!!!

 

[Robino1]

Nicotine didn't addict me to smoking. My peers did.

To be truthful, the other things (combined) in cigarettes addicted the smoker. The nicotine wasn't the addictive chemical in the equation. There is still no definitive thing that can be pointed towards but the MAOI's in tobacco could be the major culprit.

Nicotine that we use in ecigs, do not contain the MAOI's. That's why some have to use WTA to help them stay away from cigs. Nicotine, on its own is just not quite enough to help them quit smoking.

 

[seminolewind]

Absolutely. It will become a drug that will only be allowed to be sold to drug companies. Thereby they won't have to go after it for vaping. It will no longer be available to the general public. It will become a scheduled drug.

I can see it happening.....

But they;d have to regulate cigarettes. That won't happen. And they can't arrest you for soaking some cigarettes in PG , adding flavor, and vaping it.